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Loveless | 13 | 39.39% | |
Siamese Cream Lol | 20 | 60.61% | |
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07-21-2018, 09:23 AM | #91 |
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yes it's is true: i am no maiden tho i am an unstoppable warrior!!
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07-21-2018, 10:29 AM | #92 |
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07-21-2018, 12:48 PM | #93 |
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07-21-2018, 12:50 PM | #94 |
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it actually seems to me that many seminal, highly influential music artists, whether we are talking about roots music in the 40s or college indie in the 80s, did something really innovative with a very specific sound or approach, which was later adopted into a larger, more diverse collage of sounds by successive artists
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07-21-2018, 12:53 PM | #95 |
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07-21-2018, 01:30 PM | #96 |
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07-21-2018, 01:30 PM | #97 |
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why don't you explain how anyone with ears could think Loveless is as sonically diverse as Siamese Cream
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07-21-2018, 01:31 PM | #98 |
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In fairness though, Smashing Pumpkins cover a wider range of sounds than 90% of rock bands from any era
which is one of my main reasons for ultimately picking SD over Loveless. The diversity of soundscapes in SP's music still amazes me 15 years after I first heard their music. |
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07-21-2018, 02:09 PM | #99 |
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07-21-2018, 02:14 PM | #100 | |
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However, if you are just comparing Siamese Dream to Loveless, you cannot say that Siamese Dream is as diverse as Loveless in the actual number of various sounds that exist to make up those albums. |
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07-21-2018, 02:40 PM | #101 |
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loveless's strength does not lie in 'diverse sonic soundscapes' or dynamic shifts or something. it lies in creating a world of psychadelium in which the listener can lose his or herself. dopesmoker is similar.
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07-21-2018, 02:44 PM | #102 | |
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agreed, Loveless' strength is something entirely different than SD which is why this comparison is so difficult to make. At a surface level the sounds are pretty similar but they are actually really, really different albums. |
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07-21-2018, 02:47 PM | #103 |
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i guess it depends on what you value as a listener. for me i want to be submerged in an album. loveless makes a better whole and captivates me far more than sd does.
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07-21-2018, 03:21 PM | #104 | |
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You're the biggest fucking moron on this board. Fuck you, you fucking disgrace to contemporary culture. |
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07-21-2018, 03:39 PM | #105 |
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why are you so angry?
smoke a bowl and listen to you made me realise |
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07-21-2018, 03:52 PM | #106 | |
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07-21-2018, 04:07 PM | #107 |
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07-21-2018, 04:13 PM | #108 |
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you be trippin'
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07-21-2018, 07:38 PM | #109 |
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07-21-2018, 08:06 PM | #110 |
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PEER PRESSURE!
SMOKE THE BOWL! SMOKE THE BOWL! |
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07-22-2018, 02:07 AM | #111 | ||
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loveless is "samey" and non-diverse, in exactly the same way SD is "samey" simply because all songs feature the same guitar sound. there's a world of subtlety and nuance if you take the dive and really listen. it's all about how deep you're willing to go. loveless is like a sonic painting. it's free, uninhibited, experimental, melodic, incredibly innovative and unique, and beautiful. SD is ("only", dare i say) a fantastic rock record, churning out numbers one after the other; no digression, no deviation, more sterile and choked (which has to do more with Butch Vig and the way he produced the band, and sort of enforced his accurate-metronome-drummer approach on JC - a noticeable mistake even after all these years). they're both exceptional records at what they do; but when you shave it down to bare bone, one is an incredibly inventive piece of art that's impossible to replicate or truly imitate, that was born out of sheer vision and singularity. and the other is prominently derivative of that first work, is much more simple, less challenging, more "meat and potatoes" in essence and style - but does feature some incredibly strong songwriting, performance and meticulous arrangements. though i dearly love both, that's what tips the scale for me. |
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07-22-2018, 02:10 AM | #112 |
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a comparison with much more merit would be PI against Loveless, tbh, and that would be fierce
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07-22-2018, 02:21 AM | #113 | ||
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the airy attack of the acoustic guitar, the way that exploding amp fuzz sound is "smack bang in the middle" (like Kevin Shields put it), the dryness that cuts out nearly all ambiance from most elements on the record and utilizes very little delay/reverb, the distinct doubling/chorusing/mixing of the vocals and placing them at just that point where they become a "sound" and not just some guy's voice. even the way the synth is used in Sometimes is not dissimilar to the way SP used small guitar lines and licks, or mellotrons etc, to act as kind of a counterpoint to the vocal and carry the song along. Corgan ripped off all these elements very intelligently and made fantastic use of them to realize his own vision, an actualize his own very accomplished music, but he did rip the hell out of mbv's sound, nice and proper, almost down to every last detail. let's not forget that |
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07-22-2018, 04:37 AM | #114 |
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The difference between Sometimes and Soon is obvious, but those are also the extreme ends of the spectrum of diversity on Loveless. That's compared to the spectrum of diversity on SD where Disarm and Spaceboy is at one end and Quiet and Geek are at the other. In fact songs like Geek and Hummer show more diversity on their own than all of Loveless.
I don't think the sameyness of Loveless is a bad thing, though. It's actually an asset to the effect of the album. Each of the individual songs on their own are quite samey because of their hypnotic repetitiveness, losing you in the dense sound if you allow it to. The album as a whole is samey because it sustains that lethargic, entrancing and melancholic mood throughout. I've heard people compare it to nodding out on heroin |
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07-22-2018, 04:46 AM | #115 | |
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I've sometimes (heh) described SD to someone who's heard one or the other as being very similar to Loveless, but with somewhat proggy arrangements, and virtuoso drum and guitar performances. |
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07-22-2018, 08:38 AM | #116 |
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well said, teh b0llz and shallowed. i salute you!
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07-22-2018, 09:39 AM | #117 |
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If Siamese Dreams the yearning throb of an eager beavescrote, Loveless is the humid mystical sex that births god
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07-22-2018, 11:25 AM | #118 |
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jebus i feel misty just reading that post
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07-22-2018, 01:27 PM | #119 |
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So last night when I was in bed trying to unwind from DEAFHEAVEN, I put on hedphones and listened to Loveless all the way through for the first time in awhile. What a fuckin GORGEOUS album, like straight aural sex. Like Kevin Shields was like yes I want to make an album that makes the listener feel like I am gently fucking them, whispering romantic nothings in their ear, teasing and pleasing, but holding back from the edge, building the tension, making it last longer and lon.....
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07-22-2018, 01:39 PM | #120 |
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what was I saying?
oh yeah. I still feel the SD does objectively cover a wider array of different soundscapes. There are elements of classic rock, pop, metal, shoegaze, folk and acoustic, and even glimpses of post punk and goth influences, and I'm probably still forgetting moments which allude to other sounds Billy was interested in as well. Loveless doesn't sound like anything but Loveless though. SD is like an amazing feast displayed before you where all manners of sumptuous food from the most exotic corners of the world are brought forth to delight and enrich palette. but Loveless is like a complete food; it's a core ingredient. Put down that fancy soufflé, nay, I would not like another slice of overly complicated pie. Take your sugar, your crust, and your hours of slaving over the oven, and give me the fresh, juicy, sacred golden fruit at the heart of the recipe. |
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