Netphoria before "Negativity"

[pavementtune]

I wasn't aware that everyone here signed the herd contract to feel the same way about albums. I don't hate MTAE, never have, and around the time it was released not everybody here hated it, either.

There are old fans here who rank Zeitgeist higher than Adore, which is something I don't get, but there is no canon that you have to love that album, and that one, and are not allowed to like an album that is somehow "less good" to most. Are we 12 in the school yard now.

[MonumentsRocks]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

this is just vague, out there nonsense.

the album sucks. I already explained to you the obvious, which is that this whole community is basically people who love the old music and have been alienated from the new music. 18 years in the making, baby. We have our own group identity at this point. .

There it is. Accepting Corgan's new work as "good" would serve to degrade your group identity. Even if you like the music, you won't be inclined to admit it.

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I really don't think it's that difficult to grasp, you just really want to justify your perplexing love for a really terrible, lifeless, uninspired album.

I said if even one person likes it, it's good. That's not exactly high praise, and it's not meant to be.

I don't think Billy was trying to make music is fans would hate, and the fact that he was upset by the negative reaction suggests as much, but when he's accused of being lazy, or pandering to the masses, that's what is implied. As a listener, I try to appreciate where a musician is coming from, even if I don't necessarily enjoy what they've created.

[pavementtune]

That is a bullshit theory, that somehow people here are too immature to say that they like something if they do. "Admit" it, I don't have to "admit" what music I like, it's not a crime.

Originally Posted by Eulogy

I actually quite like monuments and think it’s easily the best post breakup release outside of TFE

oh no oh my god, he said it, so did I, someone will stone us for not hating these songs!
please.

[Oklahoma Sexual]

oh i get it, fuzzy has two accounts

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by MonumentsRocks

There it is. Accepting Corgan's new work as "good" would serve to degrade your group identity. Even if you like the music, you won't be inclined to admit it.

I liked some of the songs on Ogilala a lot, probably more than anything Bill has done since TFE. My opinion of Z and Oceania are that they are disappointing and on the low side of mediocre, but each has a few redeemable tracks. Monuments and Teargarden are fucking unlistenable trash.

I don't know what kind of bullshit crept into your brain to make you think everyone here is secretly listening to Antihero under the covers every night, then coming to school the next day and fronting with their buds. That's so much weirder and more elaborate than the truth, which is that we mostly love the old music a lot and think that after 2000, Willy Patrick had a tremendous collapse in artistic and moral quality. It's shocking and alienating to see your favorite artist deconstruct everything you thought was ever good or cool about himself in real time. I really don't get why it's so hard for you to understand why that would breed a fan community like Netphoria

[MonumentsRocks]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I liked some of the songs on Ogilala a lot, probably more than anything Bill has done since TFE. My opinion of Z and Oceania are that they are disappointing and on the low side of mediocre, but each has a few redeemable tracks. Monuments and Teargarden are fucking unlistenable trash.

I don't know what kind of bullshit crept into your brain to make you think everyone here is secretly listening to Antihero under the covers every night, then coming to school the next day and fronting with their buds. That's so much weirder and more elaborate than the truth, which is that we mostly love the old music a lot and think that after 2000, Willy Patrick had a tremendous collapse in artistic and moral quality. It's shocking and alienating to see your favorite artist deconstruct everything you thought was ever good or cool about himself in real time. I really don't get why it's so hard for you to understand why that would breed a fan community like Netphoria

You say "Monuments and Teargarden are fucking unlistenable trash", I'm certain the reason you don't preface that statement with "in my opinion" is because you're speaking from the in-group you identify with that believes this to be true, not your true opinion, and the reason you're so forcefully rebuking my assertion that you secretly love it is specifically because that serves to challenge your loyalty to the in-group. I think that if I wasn't hitting a some sort of sore spot you'd not be bringing this particular point up over and over again.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by MonumentsRocks

You say "Monuments and Teargarden are fucking unlistenable trash", I'm certain the reason you don't preface that statement with "in my opinion" is because you're speaking from the in-group you identify with that believes this to be true, not your true opinion, and the reason you're so forcefully rebuking my assertion that you secretly love it is specifically because that serves to challenge your loyalty to the in-group. I think that if I wasn't hitting a some sort of sore spot you'd not be bringing this particular point up over and over again.

...are you mentally disabled

[redbreegull]

Kimani Shorter to thread, we found a friend for you

[bright_doom]

Originally Posted by NovaFritz

This painting is Run2Me in a nutshell.

[houseofglass11]

It’s no different than the in-group on sad machines that you identify with that thinks the sun shines out of Bills arse. Why are you allowed to have your view but we’re not? Why does it need to be justified to you?

[Elphenor]

nah he got you music is subjective after all

[redbreegull]

What the fuck does he think is going on here? Netphoria has a secret fetish with this one specific album and we aren't allowed to break character? So it makes sense that I can say I like some songs on all the other albums considered bad, but disliking this one album has some kind of coded meaning? Seriously, what in the fuck kind of delusional shit is this

[D.]

Originally Posted by MonumentsRocks

The way you really go out of your way to say it "fucking sucks" and is "awful music" it reminds me of Billy talking about how much he definitely doesn't care about what D'arcy's doing. He cares.

I don't see a reason to discuss music that happened twenty years ago. If there is a thread about a deluxe remaster re-release, sure, but otherwise I'd think it would make more sense to join the forum of a band that is actively making music you enjoy.

You are a dumb piece of shit and your username shows it. You know nothing about this board if you think it's a Smashing Pumpkins board.
Some of us have been here for twenty years. TWENTY. The amount of history here dwarfs the actual music.

[D.]

I remember when the goatse link would crash your computer by multiplying the more you tried to click out of it so you'd have to hard shut your computer off. I'm getting sweaty palma thinking about how I narrowly escaped mt parents seeing it.

[redbreegull]

Netphoria crashed my family's PC in 2006 and my dad took the heat for reckless porn browsing

[D.]

Nice!

[FoolofaTook]

damn this thread got good

[redbreegull]

Netphoria before "negativity"

[MonumentsRocks]

I dedicate this classic Pumpkin's track to this thread and present company https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-hFB3Cy8J4

[pale_princess]

Wow really seems like monuments rocks is trying to cyberbully us into liking MTaE huh

[MonumentsRocks]

Originally Posted by pale_princess

Wow really seems like monuments rocks is trying to cyberbully us into liking MTaE huh

And yet I, someone who thinks Monuments rocks, is made to feel he doesn't belong. How about that??

[redbreegull]

Your aberrant behavior is probably contributing to that more than liking MTAE.

[MonumentsRocks]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

aberrant behavior

Interesting choice of words.

[redbreegull]

can we get an IP check on this guy?

[redbreegull]

IP check in aisle 5

[redbreegull]

welcome to our exclusive club, you wanted to be here, now you'll never leave alive

[pale_princess]

Originally Posted by MonumentsRocks

I dedicate this classic Pumpkin's track to this thread and present company https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-hFB3Cy8J4

yo monuments, can i get your date of birth, place of birth, time of birth and gender please? I'm really curious to look up your birth chart lol.

[ilikeplanets]

Where you're all wrong is that SP started sucking after TAFH was released

[ilikeplanets]

Fuck Adore, fuck that picture in the corner, and give me more Bambi paintings

[JESUSNEEDSAHIT]

what negativity ?