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Old 11-23-2019, 08:10 AM   #91
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that's cause the chord progression is a little too similar

and yes, I take back what I said about the vocals. can't bear to listen to the whole thing because of them. the dropped consonants are everywhere (OUUU AND MEEE)

and like someone already said, this wouldn't be a problem if they weren't so high in the mix. he keeps doing it.

don't think I'll listen to it again

It seems to me that if Mellon Collie was coming out today, you would still pick up on something and find something you'd dislike, so that you could have an excuse to never listen to it again. Am I right?

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 08:17 AM   #92
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It seems to me that if Mellon Collie was coming out today, you would still pick up on something and find something you'd dislike, so that you could have an excuse to never listen to it again. Am I right?
Depends if Billy put his vocals 10x higher in the mix and sings like an old woman.

I jest, Ogilala was great. Not heard this yet.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 09:02 AM   #93
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Yeah this is all so mediocre, there is 1 good song the title track perhaps. Ogilala way better. Look forward to the next TSP..

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 09:27 AM   #94
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This sounds like a James Iha album.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 09:31 AM   #95
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dancehall is catchy.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 09:47 AM   #96
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This is the best work since Adore by far.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 09:48 AM   #97
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Not just saying that to provoke a reaction. I genuinely feel that. It’s actually a brilliant album. Was NOT expecting that.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 09:51 AM   #98
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Yeah, it's definitely some of his best work since the original run. It's got the familiar aspects that we love from Billy's music and it also covers new territory with a more mature kind of vibe to the writing.

Really quite an impressive sprawling release. I hope this record can garner some good attention for the big ole guy

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 11:58 AM   #99
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It seems to me that if Mellon Collie was coming out today, you would still pick up on something and find something you'd dislike, so that you could have an excuse to never listen to it again. Am I right?
It's true, jj has never listened to any album more than once and has often remarked that all music, even his own, is awful

It's a wonder he's here at all

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 01:57 PM   #100
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if Mellon Collie was coming out today, you would still pick up on something and find something you'd dislike
does anyone really think mcis is perfect? if i never hear cupid or lily again it'll be too soon.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 02:04 PM   #101
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The more I listen to it the more I'm in love with it. After all the disappointment and all the criticism, sometimes, perhaps, a little exaggerated, I think its fair that we show some appreciation for what Billy has just achieved.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 02:10 PM   #102
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does anyone really think mcis is perfect? if i never hear cupid or lily again it'll be too soon.
Did you follow my argument at all?

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 02:23 PM   #103
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Listened to all of Cotillions on a long drive last night. My takeaways:

There’s only a handful of songs I liked. Maybe two or three. It’s a trudge to get through. Most of the songs sound the same. Overly wordy lyrics and lacking in melody. Definitely more Americana influenced than Ogilala and I’m not sure that’s my thing. Final verdict is that Ogilala was a far better record, won’t be listening to this again.

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Old 11-23-2019, 02:38 PM   #104
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It seems to me that if Mellon Collie was coming out today, you would still pick up on something and find something you'd dislike, so that you could have an excuse to never listen to it again. Am I right?
There is actually a lot about that album to improve upon yes! But yes jn general i've moved on from the Pumpkins. I listen to the original albums every once in a while and sometimes i really enjoy them, but it's just not really my cup if tea anymore.

That doesn't mean that his singing and the mix of it isn't horrible. It is. His voice sounds shit and he put it way in the spotlight to enjoy al the shitty aspects of it. Too bad, cause there's some real nice instrumental stuff going on.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 03:44 PM   #105
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i haven’t been able / willing to listen to the whole thing yet. stopped after half way and each time i try to pick it up again within a minute i decide to listen to a different artist.


on ogilala there seems to be a consensus that archer was the standout song - is there any similar consensus about 1-3 top songs on this one?

for what it’s worth i recently listened to ogilala again and enjoyed much of it more than i was expecting

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 03:46 PM   #106
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His vocals are execrable

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:00 PM   #107
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i havenít been able / willing to listen to the whole thing yet. stopped after half way and each time i try to pick it up again within a minute i decide to listen to a different artist.


on ogilala there seems to be a consensus that archer was the standout song - is there any similar consensus about 1-3 top songs on this one?

for what itís worth i recently listened to ogilala again and enjoyed much of it more than i was expecting
Cotillions
Fragile the spark
Neptulius

My favourite is 6+7 tho

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:44 PM   #108
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Cotillions has made me realize that Ogilala was actually quite fkn good.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:48 PM   #109
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This is fucking good. Cotillions (the song) is the most captivating thing he's put out in years. I actually believe Corgan felt genuine emotions when writing these songs. It really might be the best thing he's done since Adore. It's certainly the most "complete" album he's done since then.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:49 PM   #110
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Cotillions has made me realize that Ogilala was actually quite fkn good.

Cool, let's wait for Billy's next album now so you can say how much you actually liked Cotillions.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:50 PM   #111
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Cotillions has made me realize that Ogilala was actually quite fkn good.
It really was, and this is even better.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 06:23 PM   #112
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Seriously why is the production make his voice so nasily and annoying, I can't even listen to the album because of this.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 06:46 PM   #113
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Seriously why is the production make his voice so nasily and annoying, I can't even listen to the album because of this.
The production? It's his voice, for god's sake.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 06:46 PM   #114
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You guys do the same “it’s actually good this time” thread with each boring album

This is baby’s first Americana. If it were one song it would be listenable, but it drones on and on. At least he sounds inspired, but this thread is full of hyperbole.

Also, Zeitgeist sucks

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 07:15 PM   #115
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I keep trying to listen to it and after a few songs I think “I kind of hate this” and “I’d even rather listen to Boris rn”

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 08:33 PM   #116
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it reminds me of oceania. it feels better than average pumpkins of last 15 years, but then you realise that it's a very low bar to clear and you will most likely never listen to it again.

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 08:53 PM   #117
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I actually believe Corgan felt genuine emotions when writing these songs.
THERE IS NO WAY

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 08:54 PM   #118
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Also, Zeitgeist sucks
I seem to remember a very different opinion of yours on this subject

Paranoid, mind to post your signature?

 
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Old 11-23-2019, 08:57 PM   #119
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The production? It's his voice, for god's sake.
His voice definitely sucks yes, and the way he chooses to sing sucks most of all, but apparently you haven't noticed yourself, and/or chosen to ignore all the posts about it being completely way too high in the mix, which it is

 
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