Teargarden isn't even an original project name

[houseofglass11]

Do you listen any bands besides Magazine and The Fall?

[Elphenor]

Legendary Pink Dots too duh

(I like Clock DVA, Cab Vol, 23 Skidoo, Throbbing Gristle, Nurse With Wound...in terms of industrial)

[Mals Marola]

only one of those is a real band

but also, shut the fuck up already holy shit!

[Shadaloo]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

that's intentional cuz Skinny Puppy is some pleb ass industrial

Dude it's okay

The board hit its hipster quotient long ago

You don't have to contribute anymore

Also I bet you've never listened to Download

[topleybird]

You've heard of ACAB

Just replace Cops with Bands and you've got a new memeable truth

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by eviltimeban

Well how many of the 53 did we get, if we count Oceania and Monuments (and some of Shiny)?

TGBK: 12
Oceania: 13
Monuments: 9
Some of Shiny: Solara / Marchin' On

So that's about 36 songs, plus whatever else was leftover from Day 4 Night. If it was to be 44 songs, then he nearly got there.

Anything else? Was Jesus Needs a Hit a TGBK song?

Except the problem is the original 54 did not inc1ude Oceania/Monuments/etc. Corgan had it already written and demoed by 2009. All of it. Everything after that was redacted to justify Corgan's inability to finish a project.

This was the original Teargarden:

https://smashing-pumpkins-recording-...os_Angeles,_CA

Fast forward two years, Corgan got bored of this and wanted to do a stand-alone album with the new Jeff/Mikey/Nicole line-up and wrote mostly new songs for it. To justify it's existence and not seem like he was abandoning Teargarden (which he was, since Teargarden was already written in it's entirety in 2009), he backtracked and called it an "album within an album". Then this trend continued on and on with the following Monuments and Day For Night.

If you want to count those unrelated projects as Teargarden, that's fine. But the reality is, based on everything the dude has said, Teargarden, conceptually, was a specific set of songs. Then Oceania was a different concept. Then Monuments and Day For Night were different concepts. Either this is a ridiculous con that people are feeding into, or that says a lot about the quality of 3/4ths of the original 2009 material if it needed to be replaced with Oceania and such.

[FoolofaTook]

[themadcaplaughs]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Except the problem is the original 54 did not inc1ude Oceania/Monuments/etc. Corgan had it already written and demoed by 2009. All of it. Everything after that was redacted to justify Corgan's inability to finish a project.

This was the original Teargarden:

https://smashing-pumpkins-recording-...os_Angeles,_CA

Fast forward two years, Corgan got bored of this and wanted to do a stand-alone album with the new Jeff/Mikey/Nicole line-up and wrote mostly new songs for it. To justify it's existence and not seem like he was abandoning Teargarden (which he was, since Teargarden was already written in it's entirety in 2009), he backtracked and called it an "album within an album". Then this trend continued on and on with the following Monuments and Day For Night.

If you want to count those unrelated projects as Teargarden, that's fine. But the reality is, based on everything the dude has said, Teargarden, conceptually, was a specific set of songs. Then Oceania was a different concept. Then Monuments and Day For Night were different concepts. Either this is a ridiculous con that people are feeding into, or that says a lot about the quality of 3/4ths of the original 2009 material if it needed to be replaced with Oceania and such.

I remember when Monte used to post and get supper defensive when someone tried to bring this kind of logic to the conversation. Technically, they're all Corgan's songs. He could call Siamese Dream part of Teargarden if he wanted to, but it does not change the fact that the existence of the project was based on the delivery of the songs just as much as the songs themselves. Hell, I will even give Corgan benefit of the doubt and say Oceania could be considered part of Teargarden, since I can see those songs as an outgrowth of the TbK songs, but to call Monuments to an Elegy part of it was absurd, and Corgan even admitted as much in interviews around the time.

[FoolofaTook]

why is that dude pointing at the christmas tree tho

[topleybird]

What I'd like to know is why the image of someone clearly standing with a tree behind him, Took is flipped (see the logo)

When Teargarden was announced, I made a thread trying to explain the title, and God help me — o, God forgive me! — I cannot remember if I was serious

[FoolofaTook]

It says Global Ho.


Take that to mean what you will.

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

Dude it's okay

The board hit its hipster quotient long ago

You don't have to contribute anymore

Also I bet you've never listened to Download

"Wah hipster"

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

only one of those is a real band

but also, shut the fuck up already holy shit!

they all are

except some Nurse With Wound albums are only Stapleton sure

[Elphenor]

Soliloquy for Lilith is sickkk tho

[Disco King]

When the fuck is Corgan releasing "Blurricane?" You can't name a song that and not let us hear it.

[Disco King]

Also, is "Spitfire" the long-awaited sequel to "Spiteface?"

[FoolofaTook]

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

The board hit its hipster quotient long ago

Damn that was a close one. I was about to go all caps on your ass, shouting about quotas and imbecile swines.

Then I checked Merriam Webster...

[topleybird]

Originally Posted by Disco King

When the fuck is Corgan releasing "Blurricane?" You can't name a song that and not let us hear it.

I think that's probably most people's favorite name from this list, including mine I suppose, but I've always also really wanted to hear Victorian Victim

I know this is miles away from their sound at that point, but I always imagine something a little like Daphne Descends

[eviltimeban]

For me TG is the 13 or so songs that came out online. The rest are different albums.

Perhaps one day we'll hear all those demos. Would be interesting to see what was dropped, as I can guarantee there's probably some tracks there that are way better than what did come out.

What he should've done was record them all, spend a year doing it, and then once they were all recorded he could release them regularly over a set period of time. I reckon he just got bored recording them ad hoc, and was reluctant to keep going, hence the long delays between songs.

Either that or halfway through he realised the songs were no good, or not good as live band songs, which the songs on Oceania were.

[Mals Marola]

Billy Corgan isn't even an original person name

even his dad's got the name, for christ's sake!

[Candy Cane]

But is his dad William Patrick Corgan?

Originally Posted by eviltimeban

For me TG is the 13 or so songs that came out online. The rest are different albums.

Then why did you say the opposite earlier ya flip flopper. Flippity flop.

[GLOWer]

i wonder if Body & Soul became Marchin' On?

[Whir34]

I went down to the park today in Puerto Rico just to see if it was there or not. But it wasn't. There was only a sketch of what used to be. Something vague and shimmering beneath the surface. A football. A kite. A frisbee. Fragments of my imagination or real things?

[eviltimeban]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

But is his dad William Patrick Corgan?



Then why did you say the opposite earlier ya flip flopper. Flippity flop.

Well it was more an "if". If they were part of the 53 songs. If the two albums were part of TGBK. He could've said so either way if he'd wanted to.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

Legendary Pink Dots too duh

(I like Clock DVA, Cab Vol, 23 Skidoo, Throbbing Gristle, Nurse With Wound...in terms of industrial)

What's up Elphy? Funny to see you on this side of the board

I was surfin' around Youtube the other night and came across this cool rarity and it made me think of ya, mainly just cause you kinda give off Ocasek vibes with your photos and the whole post-punk thing. Pretty rad clip though, hey?

[Shallowed]

Originally Posted by eviltimeban

For me TG is the 13 or so songs that came out online. The rest are different albums.

Yeah same. It's much easier to say if something is an album or not if it was actually released together as a whole, as opposed to a nebulous collection of half-baked piecemeal disappointments.

The assertion that Oceania was part of TbK always seemed disingenuous to me. Oceania doesn't even sound like a cohesive continuation of that project. For fuck's sake, volume 3 was abandoned halfway through and never even saw a collected release, unlike Oceania.

So until Vol 3 is completed, there will always be a gap between it and Oceania where we would expect to hear at least two songs before beginning the next chapter of the series.

TbK is such a mess of messes.

Perhaps one day we'll hear all those demos. Would be interesting to see what was dropped, as I can guarantee there's probably some tracks there that are way better than what did come out.

One of my favourite songs from the era was Lonely Is the Name. At some point they livestreamed the recording of a demo for that song, which is pretty ahead of their time, giving credit where it's due. There were at least four recordings of that part of the livestream, each one with more and more instrument tracks added to it. Unfortunately the audio quality is terrible.

Of course in true self-sabotaging form, Billy has never officially released the song, not even the demo from the livestream.

What he should've done was record them all, spend a year doing it, and then once they were all recorded he could release them regularly over a set period of time. I reckon he just got bored recording them ad hoc, and was reluctant to keep going, hence the long delays between songs.

Either that or halfway through he realised the songs were no good, or not good as live band songs, which the songs on Oceania were.

That would have been a far better idea. I was actually mostly positive about the whole idea for the project at first, but it soon became pretty apparent that the execution of the idea was badly organised and the whole thing just kept falling flat.

The biggest and most fundamental flaw of TbK is that none of the songs were even any good. I might have put up with the overly-sporadic and delayed releases if they had released good, well-liked and well-received songs. There was a decent number to choose from.

Oceania is a pretty boring white-bread album but at least it's better than TbK, far better in terms of writing, production, and especially overall cohesiveness.

Could have used a better drummer tho.

[trev]

i feel like the only person left who hasn't listened to anything new since zeitgeist era...

how do you all know all this? are you actually this interested in sp7 or whatever number it was up to at that point material?

[Shallowed]

I can't believe that I was following the band for as long as I did. Then I stopped paying attention just when it seemed like Billy might be making sorta kinda halfway decentish music.

Should I bother listening to Ogilala and Shiney Metal Ass, Vol. 1 / LP EP CD :;;?