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Old 11-30-2019, 05:01 PM   #61
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You put Bernie next to Trump and it'll be like Coca-Cola vs Shasta

 
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Old 11-30-2019, 08:09 PM   #62
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Biden has about 25% support among Democrats and at this point in the race, based on past elections, that gives him about a 25% chance of clinching the nomination.

Biden is an elder statesman type figure, a proxy of Obama, and seems like your average JOE in a lot of ways. The Americans you meet on the internet are more likely to be progressive, but this is not a progressive country and a huge portion of the Democratic electorate still considers themselves moderate and are not keen on the kind of sweeping changes Bernie and Elizabeth are proposing. To them, Biden looks like a safe and familiar candidate from the old guard who will bring out people on the fence about whether the Democrats are really any better than Trump because scary things like socialism and spending.

Biden is also popular with older members of minority communities, especially black Americans. Boomers in the black community are fairly staunch supporters of the Democratic establishment. They came out for Hillary in 2016, and although history has painted things differently re: tough on crime laws and such, Bill Clinton was and still is to some extent seen as a big ally of black America. And they are still more likely to come out and vote than younger black people.

I'm not voting for Biden in the primary, but the left needs to understand that a lot of people do feel the above ways and they need to be appealed to somehow if Trump is going to be defeated.
Itís almost heartening to consider that the establishment in the U.S. has done enough for enough people that they want it to continue, and need to be appealed to.

 
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Old 11-30-2019, 09:34 PM   #63
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the media has been calling biden the front-runner since he first entered the race, and lazy voters eat that shit up. bill and hillary have never actually been allies to "black America" contrary to the narrative shoved down our throats. all you have to do is look at their backed policies, kept company, and down-home racism to know their interests are self-serving first and foremost.

 
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Old 12-01-2019, 05:26 AM   #64
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Old 12-01-2019, 03:03 PM   #65
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Itís almost heartening to consider that the establishment in the U.S. has done enough for enough people that they want it to continue, and need to be appealed to.
I mean yeah I guess, but I think we all know liberalism hasn't been good to minorities in the US in general. But I suppose if you grew up during the Civil Rights era and you saw Johnson pass the Civil Rights Act and stuff, that kind of sweeping change shapes your lifelong outlook on who the good guys are? Not sure.

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the media has been calling biden the front-runner since he first entered the race, and lazy voters eat that shit up. bill and hillary have never actually been allies to "black America" contrary to the narrative shoved down our throats. all you have to do is look at their backed policies, kept company, and down-home racism to know their interests are self-serving first and foremost.
everyone knows this, but thanks for shouting into the echo chamber to signal your noble virtues to us

a more important point is that leftists are not doing well convincing people outside the intellectual class that this narrative is true, otherwise older black voters wouldn't keep supporting the establishment

 
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Old 12-01-2019, 05:19 PM   #66
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have fun voting for biden (but not in the primary lol )

 
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Old 12-01-2019, 11:21 PM   #67
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I do think it’s a bit odd that non black voters are telling black voters who black voters should be supporting.

That doesn’t mean I like biden though.

 
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What do you mean by "tell"?

 
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Old 12-02-2019, 09:42 AM   #69
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yes please do tell.

 
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