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02-16-2019, 06:17 PM | #31 |
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I agree, she would have been a very good pres
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02-16-2019, 06:18 PM | #32 |
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I’m still bitter about the 2008 primary because the only real policy difference was on an individual mandate for health insurance. Obama opposed it. Clinton supported it. We know what happened.
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02-16-2019, 06:18 PM | #33 |
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Don’t get me wrong though I really love Barack Obama.
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02-16-2019, 06:20 PM | #34 |
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02-16-2019, 06:25 PM | #35 |
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02-16-2019, 06:26 PM | #36 | |
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When it came to the policies, I think Sanders' were good, though. And, as bad as it is, if there were a Democratic candidate with good policies who happened to win Trump's base's votes for purely aesthetic reasons, would that be a bad thing? Some Trump voters voted for Obama because his image was the "hopey-changey guy" in 2008. These people are idiots, anyway. May as well allow them to be useful idiots. |
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02-16-2019, 06:28 PM | #37 | |
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02-16-2019, 06:29 PM | #38 |
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I will push back on the idea that sanders has actual policies though. He refused to just say “soak the rich.” Warren is saying it.
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02-16-2019, 06:41 PM | #39 |
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Sanders has been saying some form of that for decades now where as Warren used to be a Republican
Sanders stood almost alone in naming the enemy for quite awhile just being honest |
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02-16-2019, 06:55 PM | #40 |
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most the Bernie Bros were people who would not have voted for a democrat anyway
the data I've seen suggests the large majority of Bernie primary voters still showed up for Hillary, granted that number should have been 100% the divide was worse when it came time for Hillary voters to show up for Obama *shrugs* |
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02-16-2019, 07:05 PM | #41 | |
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I don’t give a fuck what Warren was registered as in the 80s and if you do you are fucking this up. |
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02-17-2019, 05:30 AM | #42 |
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being that he's an independent it's not surprising he doesn't author a lot of the bills democrats vote on
But he has been called the "Amendment King" working away behind the scenes pushing legislation to the left then theres his success in shaming Jeff Bezos into raising pay for warehouse employees |
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02-17-2019, 10:41 AM | #43 |
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I feel that the things that actually matter are gonna be fucked no matter who wins a next election. during Obama as well as Trump the climate is getting completely fucked over, the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer, ugly wars are being fought over the world with America's help.
trump and his message are a lot uglier to look at and to listen to but I don't think that during Obama enough was done to stop catastrophic consequences of climate change or to actually end poverty and in the end I don't believe the democrats are gonna deliver a candidate that, even when they would actually try to, would be able to actually make a change. you're fucked, America, and so is the rest of the world. |
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02-17-2019, 10:45 AM | #44 |
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well the new wave of democrats like AOC are finally putting an emphasis on the big existential threats
Bernie attacking money in politics was the start of that imo however nah just like in 2016 there is a huge difference between 4 years of Trump and say Liz Warren |
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02-17-2019, 10:52 AM | #45 |
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Can we unban Fuzzy for this one thread, please?
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02-17-2019, 10:54 AM | #46 |
Braindead
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Although there seems to be some infighting, imagine if someone supported the other side!
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02-17-2019, 11:00 AM | #47 | |
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02-17-2019, 11:02 AM | #48 | |
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02-17-2019, 11:19 AM | #49 |
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in trump country warren’s indian act reads as laughable liberal hypocracy. not sure why the left, so typically concerned about “cultural appropriation” and policing identity performance, is giving her a pass. one could argue that her claiming indian to advance her career is more racist than the blackface stuff. it’s not going to go away and its unsustainable. hopefully she drops out early and plays attack dog for whoever ends up in the progressive lane.
also hillary elected trump. |
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02-17-2019, 11:24 AM | #50 |
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can we please focus on the unbanishment of Fuzzrod?
thank u |
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02-17-2019, 11:40 AM | #51 | |
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02-17-2019, 11:55 AM | #52 |
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the racism of both acts derives from impersonating an “other”; one with intent to mock and deride, one to fraudulently advance a white person’s career in a white and poweful profession.
i don’t think it’s useful to get into a “who is more racist” argument, but it is important to recognize warren’s impersonation as a racist act. everyone makes mistakes and i dont think she needs to resign in disgrace, but i think it has already sunk her candidacy. |
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02-17-2019, 01:20 PM | #53 | |
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02-17-2019, 01:20 PM | #54 |
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It will only sink her candidacy if people treat it like Clinton’s fucking emails.
I hate this. |
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02-17-2019, 01:50 PM | #55 |
Braindead
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I thought it was no big deal, really typical thing lots of white people think they have significant native ancestry
but then she went into playing into Trump's trolling with the DNA test, and now I'm kinda like this would be a shitshow |
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02-17-2019, 04:15 PM | #56 | |
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it was more "pragmatic" to lose at every single level of government in the country was it at least fair when Warren criticised Democrats for this? Such as when she pointed out a specific instance where lobbyists appeared to have swayed Hillary to the detriment of consumers (go figure) |
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02-17-2019, 07:29 PM | #57 | |
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Still waiting for the amendment king examples btw. And you don’t bring a knife to a gun fight. If it’s legal to take money you take what you can get. |
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02-17-2019, 07:34 PM | #58 |
Socialphobic
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I think that’s the thing about Hillary Clinton. She’s a good politician. Some people think good politicians are the best people to elect to the legislature. Some people think they are the worst people to elect to a legislature. I guess it depends on your own boundary for where pragmatism turns into soul selling
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02-17-2019, 07:36 PM | #59 |
Socialphobic
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Because regardless of how the rest of the country or even her constituency are doing, all of us are cynical enough to say that politics has been good business for Hillary Clinton, financially
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02-17-2019, 07:41 PM | #60 |
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