New Arcade Fire

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by samuel redman

god, slunken is absolutely correct. it's refreshing to hear someone else have the correct viewpoint on rap

yeah you also think football is just "thugs running into each other" so i'm not sure you have any authority here.

And slunken, my point was that every single type of relatively popular music promotes drug use and "shallow values," you dolt.

And to imply that "the system" isn't racist is also laughable. But whatever. You and samuel redman can get together and hate black people and think that rap is inherently worthless because rappers don't generally promote high art like fucking Weezer and Korn or whatever the fuck.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Yeah, I already know what the retort is: a list of artistic/intilectual rappers to prove me wrong. Well save it; for every one of those, there's 200 entrepreneur-rappers. That's the reality of the genre.

That's the reality of the music business.

holy shit people, really?

[hnibos]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

So what I'm saying is there are few real artists in rap, only entrepreneurs.

isnt that the case for all art.

[hnibos]

fuck nvm eulogys got it.

[samuel redman]

footballs also bores the snot out of me

[samuel redman]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

yeah you also think A is just "thugs running into each other" so i'm not sure you have any authority here.

And slunken, my point was that every single type of relatively popular music promotes drug use and "shallow values," you dolt.

And to imply that "the system" isn't racist is also laughable. But whatever. You and samuel redman can get together and hate black people and think that rap is inherently worthless because rappers don't generally promote high art like fucking Weezer and Korn or whatever the fuck.

but you can't tell me that an army of people (black AND white) who dress and talk and think almost exactly the same due to the rap culture isn't a bad thing? i mean christ, shooting people is cool now because rap condones it. i hate the indie music culture too but really those people are just pussies

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

You and samuel redman can get together and hate black people and think that rap is inherently worthless because rappers don't generally promote high art like fucking Weezer and Korn or whatever the fuck.

Yup, there's that black and white worldview again. That's pretty small-minded of you, Eulogy, to assume that just because I don't personally enjoy hip-hop that I champion bands like Weezer or Korn.

And here I was thinking the "you're either a rocker or a rapper" argument died out when I was in middle school.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

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And slunken, my point was that every single type of relatively popular music promotes drug use and "shallow values," you dolt.

I will agree about pop music and shallow values tho, but that's not the issue here. Dunno about the drug use, tho.

[samuel redman]

Originally Posted by slunken

I will agree about pop music and shallow values tho, but that's not the issue here.

nobody will understand this point slunken. it's a shame

[samuel redman]

let's all just agree that the vast majority of music makes people insanely stupid

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by slunken

Yup, there's that black and white worldview again. That's pretty small-minded of you, Eulogy, to assume that just because I don't personally enjoy hip-hop that I champion bands like Weezer or Korn.

And here I was thinking the "you're either a rocker or a rapper" argument died out when I was in middle school.

No, you idiot. You can't paint an entire genre with one brush and then make exceptions for another. If the bad rappers make the entire genre worthless, then bad rockers make the entire genre worthless as well.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by samuel redman

but you can't tell me that an army of people (black AND white) who dress and talk and think almost exactly the same due to the rap culture isn't a bad thing? i mean christ, shooting people is cool now because rap condones it. i hate the indie music culture too but really those people are just pussies

my god. is this serious?

[samuel redman]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

my god. is this serious?

yes. it is 100% valid and the truth too

[samuel redman]

i mean you dont see a bunch of douchebag rockers driving up and ally blasting rock music whilst shooting people. but you do see a bunch of people who listen to rap doing the same thing while blasting music that is talking about shooting people. there's a huge connection here.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

No, you idiot. You can't paint an entire genre with one brush and then make exceptions for another. If the bad rappers make the entire genre worthless, then bad rockers make the entire genre worthless as well.

No - I'm not making excuses for rockers. In fact I have not once brought up rock music in any of my original arguments. For some reason, though (most likely your small-minded worldview) you keep bringing up rock music like it's some excuse to defend the generally horrible actions of rappers.

Let me break it down in a format you'd be used to: the filler skit.

Me: Rap music is kind of a bad influence and promotes negative actions.
You: Rock music isn't that much better.
Me: Okay. So? That's not the issue at hand.

You can't defend one thing by pointing out that it's not as bad, or is equally as bad, as something else.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by slunken

No - I'm not making excuses for rockers. In fact I have not once brought up rock music in any of my original arguments. For some reason, though (most likely your small-minded worldview) you keep bringing up rock music like it's some excuse to defend the generally horrible actions of rappers.

Let me break it down in a format you'd be used to: the filler skit.

Me: Rap music is kind of a bad influence and promotes negative actions.
You: Rock music isn't that much better.
Me: Okay. So? That's not the issue at hand.

So all music is bad and worthless. That's the only conclusion you can come to without seeming disingenuous/wrong/racist.

[samuel redman]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

So all music is bad and worthless. That's the only conclusion you can come to without seeming disingenuous/wrong/racist.

is this serious?

[slunken]

Oh yea I was about to edit in the last line of the skit where you inevitably end up calling me a racist. Good one!

Eulogy: All music = rap or rock

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by slunken

Oh yea I was about to edit in the last line of the skit where you inevitably end up calling me a racist. Good one!

Eulogy: All music = rap or rock

Please tell me what genres of music you listen to that lack references to drugs or a promotion of "shallow values."

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by samuel redman

i mean you dont see a bunch of douchebag rockers driving up and ally blasting rock music whilst shooting people. but you do see a bunch of people who listen to rap doing the same thing while blasting music that is talking about shooting people. there's a huge connection here.

what the fuck are you talking about

[Eulogy]

clearly problems of gang violence in inner city ghettos only arose because TI got popular.

you're both idiots.

[Eulogy]

i guess all the people trying to blame marilyn manson for columbine were spot on, too. my eyes have been opened!

[samuel redman]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

Please tell me what genres of music you listen to that lack references to drugs or a promotion of "shallow values."

all genres of music talk about it you idiot, but the only "genre" that preaches it and brainwashes people with it is rap. for heavens sake, don't you get it? this is simple and it scares me how people don't see it. people connect with this fucking music because they have nothing, and they see their friends and family doing so. the music talks about "get money, shoot bitches, sell drugs" so people are going to follow it in hopes of achieving the only life they think is attainable, the life they hear about in these rap songs. it's a huge problem.

[samuel redman]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

what the fuck are you talking about

are really you this short sighted? it's elementary 1 + 1

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by samuel redman

all genres of music talk about it you idiot, but the only "genre" that preaches it and brainwashes people with it is rap. for heavens sake, don't you get it? this is simple and it scares me how people don't see it. people connect with this fucking music because they have nothing, and they see their friends and family doing so. the music talks about "get money, shoot bitches, sell drugs" so people are going to follow it in hopes of achieving the only life they think is attainable, the life they hear about in these rap songs. it's a huge problem.

Originally Posted by Eulogy

clearly problems of gang violence in inner city ghettos only arose because TI got popular.

you're both idiots.

.

[samuel redman]

what the fuck does that mean?

[Eulogy]

also where are all the recent popular rap tunes that are about shooting people? you guys make it seem like every rap or hip hop song is about random acts of violence. that's simply untrue.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by samuel redman

but you can't tell me that an army of people (black AND white) who dress and talk and think almost exactly the same due to the rap culture isn't a bad thing? i mean christ, shooting people is cool now because rap condones it. i hate the indie music culture too but really those people are just pussies

Originally Posted by samuel redman

i guess im also racist because i can see the forests for the trees

Oh man oh man. I have to say, my comment does not point a finger at any particular race. Just look at ICP: total meaningless dredge made by white guys, for the purpose of selling this shit to idiots. ICP was asked a question about this, and their answer was something like "We have a warehouse full of ICP merchandise and people wanna buy it... so that's what we do!"

If anything, I was hinting at the socio-economic culture that creates this type of ethos, and that rises above race. White trash can rap too.

And as for the comments about this trend carries over into all forms of music/art--yes, that's true. But it seems that the very nature of rap/hip-hop is exploitation for $$$. It's very design. That's why I say there's a 20-80 split of artists to entrepreneurs. In rock, I'd say it's more 60-40 to artists and entrepreneurs--you just are exposed to that 40% more than the 60%.

Just my opinion.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by samuel redman

what the fuck does that mean?

it means you're an idiot for blaming gang violence in ghettos on rap music.

[samuel redman]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

it means you're an idiot for blaming gang violence in ghettos on rap music.

rap, lack of an education and the lack of a strong figure in a persons life.