"Alienation" Case Study

[Corgan's Bluff]

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by T&T

the last 4 songs are all just trash.

except 2 of them are like the best on the record

[houseofglass11]

Lyric booklet consulted, he says "mourn the movement, fear penetration"

[TuralyonW3]

It is the most boring song Corgan has ever officially released on an album

[gyang333]

Alienation is pretty good. I can't stand the repetitive lyrics of Marchin' On or the weird melody or vocals of With Sympathy though.

[brothahi4L]

Seek is one of the worst top 3 post 2000 songs. Run2me is better.
Alienation has a horrible intro and 1st verse and chorus, but i started liking the parts from verse 2 onwards.

Seek is so bad- ALL OF SEEK IS CRAP.

[eviltimeban]

I don't hate Alienation, but it would be lower down on my list. Seek would probably be at the bottom, tying with KOM. Travels and With Sympathy are at the top, with Marchin' On slightly below. Then Solara / Silvery in the middle.

[Razor Star]

It was my least favorite when I first heard the album last month, but it's actually really grown on me.

[Corgan's Bluff]

Nothing has grown on me after listening several times to the album. More the opposite...

[MplsTaper]

The 1988 film is definitely better than the 2018 SP song.

This morning I discovered this song/video existed as well...

[New Art Rioter]

It's not THAT bad guys, he's put out far worse on albums post 2000. Death From Above, One Diamond One Heart, etc etc. This is a pretty middling BC tune... the lyrics are not good and ruin it a bit, but the ebow part and the solo are enjoyable

[FoolofaTook]

yes the first alien is fun

[FoolofaTook]

some of the key artists were dudes who were supposed to work with jodorowsky on his dune film i think. this means, among other things, that they were into drugs.

[redbreegull]

the worst part of alienation is that it's catchy and keeps getting stuck in my head

it's kind of average for an SP2 song I think, and the fact that it is drawing so much negative attention speaks to the majority of the album being above average SP2 quality

[incubator]

Best songs on the album are Alienation and Marching On.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

There's been about 10 people say that there's nothing terrible or no real lows on the album, which to me is crazy. Alienation is perfect proof of that.

first you say according to Netphoria, then you say according to 10 people, which is like 1/5 of the active people here. You just talk to hear yourself speak

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by New Art Rioter

It's not THAT bad guys, he's put out far worse on albums post 2000. Death From Above, One Diamond One Heart, etc etc. This is a pretty middling BC tune... the lyrics are not good and ruin it a bit, but the ebow part and the solo are enjoyable

those songs are absolutely not worse than Alienation

i don't even hate the song anymore, it's just undoubtedly the big skipper of the record

[FoolofaTook]

yesterday fucking travels was stuck in my head. i only listened to it twice WTF. so purge my mind i listened to MONO's Requiem For Hell. It worked well.

[Ihaguitar]

I like to think he's actually singing "Alien Nation"

[reprise85]

i mean, obviously the "of thee i sing" is a reference to "my country 'tis of thee" so yeah, i think that he is doing some double meaning shit or whatever

[MonumentsRocks]

a "double entendre"

[reprise85]

i only use that phrase when one of the meanings is sexual

but i'm sure you're going to be pedantic and say that it isn't required that one of them is sexual so i will preemptively say you're right and ok argument over

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

first you say according to Netphoria, then you say according to 10 people, which is like 1/5 of the active people here. You just talk to hear yourself speak

also, which 10 people have been saying that?

is there even one?

[MonumentsRocks]

Originally Posted by reprise85

i only use that phrase when one of the meanings is sexual

but i'm sure you're going to be pedantic and say that it isn't required that one of them is sexual so i will preemptively say you're right and ok argument over

I wasn't saying you're wrong, just that there is a more formal term for 'double meaning shit'.

[reprise85]

yes, and i knew the term but thought it inappropriate

[redbreegull]

Does double-entendre have a sexual connotation? I would nominate innuendo as the synonym which makes people think of sex

[reprise85]

dou·ble en·ten·dre
/ˌdo͞obl änˈtändrə,ˌdəbl änˈtändrə/Submit
noun
a word or phrase open to two interpretations, one of which is usually risqué or indecent.

A double entendre (/ɒ̃ˈtɒ̃d(rə)/; French: [dubl ɑ̃.tɑ̃dʁ(ə)]) is a figure of speech or a particular way of wording that is devised to be understood in two ways, having a double meaning. Typically one of the meanings is obvious, given the context, whereas the other may require more thought. The innuendo may convey a message that would be socially awkward, sexually suggestive, or offensive to state directly (the Oxford English Dictionary describes a double entendre as being used to "convey an indelicate meaning", whilst Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English defines it as "a word or phrase that may be understood in two different ways, one of which is often sexual").[1]

linguistics : a word or expression capable of two interpretations with one usually risqué

What's the meaning of the phrase 'Double Entendre'?
A figure of speech in which a phrase can be understood in two ways - one of them risqué. Commonly used to convey sexual puns.

What Does Double Entendre Mean?
Shundalyn Allen
A double entendre is a phrase with a dual meaning.
One of the meanings of a double entendre is usually risqué.
Take your audience into consideration when using double entendres so as not to cause offense.

[reprise85]

etc

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

also, which 10 people have been saying that?

is there even one?

Yesterday it was "people on the board"

Today it's "10 people in the world"

Tomorrow i'm predicting "5 dudes from Canada"

[FoolofaTook]

let's see: fuzzy, myosis, discount king... uh...