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Old 04-13-2018, 07:58 PM   #211
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you are as dumb as they come

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 08:00 PM   #212
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This is probably worded wrong, but I read that a lot of the continued success of hip-hop and rap has to do with the fetishization of the black experience to white listeners (much like rock and roll in the 50s), which is why a lot of historians/critics feel hip-hop since the mid/late 90s is mostly disposable garbage on par with pop music.

Not to say there haven't been innovations, but rather that hip-hop and rap as a societal critique is dead, much like rock and roll decades before.

Point being is that when discussing rap and hip-hop, we have 40 years of history to talk about and you easily get in trouble trying to distill a complex history into one genre.

I don't even know who I'm talking to. Just throwing another chair in the ring, I guess.
Damn man, that was brilliant. There's definitely correlations that exist with rock and rap, but that doesn't mean that the messaging is similar.

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 08:00 PM   #213
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you are as dumb as they come
You'd be surprised. You shouldn't talk by the way Elph, you don't strike anyone as the brightest star in the sky either.

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 08:08 PM   #214
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I'll say right now though, since I have a minute, this comparison of rock and roll to rap is absurd.

A lot of rock is all about getting fucked up and banging chicks, which albeit isn't positive, it's not even in the realm of the malicious content that rap often boasts about... Rap glorifies murder, gang life, violence... No comparison as far as I'm concerned.
Whoa-oh, whoa-oh,
Oh-Oh-Oh,
whoa
Go
Inside a Wall Street mind a psycho lurks
Lines of cocaine cut in Hell
Obsessive hands gently grab your neck
Compulsively you'll die.
I hate people
Whoa-oh, whoa-oh, Oh-Oh-Oh, whoa-oh
Struggling to breathe, go
The sweet asphyxiation and dismemberment
Sex puts me in the mood to make you die
Obsessive hands gently grab your neck
Look into sick eyes
I hate people
Whoa-oh, whoa-oh, Oh-Oh-Oh, whoa-oh
Struggling to breathe
Go
A machine of penalty
Go
The sweet insanity
Go
Fade to black tranquility
Go
You're looking through the eyes of a psycho, whoa-oh
An American Psycho, whoa-oh
An American Psycho, whoa-oh
An American Psycho
Psycho
Inside a Wall Street mind a psycho lurks
Lines of cocaine cut in Hell
Obsessive hands gently grab your neck
Compulsively you'll die... I hate people
Whoa-oh, whoa-oh, Oh-Oh-Oh, whoa-oh
Struggling to breathe
Go
A machine of penalty
Go
The sweet insanity
Go
Fade to black tranquility
Go
You're looking through the eyes of a psycho, whoa-oh
An American Psycho, whoa-oh
An American Psycho, whoa-oh
An American Psycho
Psycho, psycho, psycho, psycho

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 08:09 PM   #215
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Come on Ty, Misfits are a satire group.

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:04 PM   #216
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Okay, this is absolutely absurd. Rap takes nothing from the blues. There is no commonality musically or lyrically. Blues guys were pouring out their pain, crying out their inner feelings and emotions. Rap is all about posturing and it's all about their aggression and masochism and trying to justify living a life full of crime.
let this sink in. he thinks rap takes "nothing from the blues." Seriously, just let it sit for a moment. It might take a bit for it to totally sink in how abjectly stupid and ignorant this is

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:34 PM   #217
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We can both agree that Easy E is one of the legends of rap right?

How is this lyrical content reminiscent of the blues in any way?

Get a clue

Cruisin' down tha street in my '64
It's like that and it's like this
I took her to tha pad and we started to kiss
Now my dick's on hard ya know what I'm thinkin'
Took tha panties off and the pussy wasn't stinkin'
Pulled off my draws and we started to begin
Now tha pussy's wet so my dick slides in
Oh, hiddy hiddy hiddy you hoe
Ridin' from the back so I'm fuckin' kinda slow
So fee fie foe fuck fum
She's scratchin' on my back oh here she comes
Now I gotta get a nutt gotta get a nutt gotta get it quick
Ya know because I love this shit so
Gimmee that, that, that nutt, that nutt, that nutt,
Gimmee that, Gimmee that, Gimmee that nutt
Okay back back to the fuckin' basics
You got yours and mine ya want tha taste it
Open wide oh no don't 'cha waste it
Oh shit…
Gimmee that, that, that nutt, that nutt, that nutt,
Gimmee that, Gimmee that, Gimmee that nutt
Gimmee that, that, that nutt, that nutt, that nutt,
Gimmee that, Gimmee that, Gimmee that nutt
Now I love pussy (love pussy)
And pussy loves me (pussy loves me)
Like a lemon to the lime and the bubble to the bee
Ya know its real good a nigga can't resist it (it's real good)
Couldn't be a foot loop (can't be a fag) so don't get me twisted
Cause in some pussy is the place the be
Always fuckin' is the life for me
Spread them legs open far and wide
Fuck this shit just let me put my dick inside soooooooo
Gimmee that, that, that nutt, that nutt, that nutt,
Gimmee that, Gimmee that, Gimmee that nutt
Gimmee that, that, that nutt, that nutt, that nutt,
Gimmee that, Gimmee that, Gimmee that nutt
Uh, get it on baby
Uh, get it on baby
Uh, get it on baby (gently put the ballaaaaa)
Gimmee that, that, that nutt, that nutt, that nutt,
Gimmee that, Gimmee that, Gimmee that nutt
Gimmee that, that, that nutt, that nutt, that nutt,
Gimmee that, Gimmee that, Gimmee that nutt

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:35 PM   #218
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you're so fuckin stupid

how are you so stupid

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:37 PM   #219
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:39 PM   #220
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Here's the biggest hit from the other most legendary rapper, Notorious BIG...Some might call him the Paul McCartney of rap... Not really seeing the blues connection, RBG....

Uh, uh, uh, c'mon
Hah, sicka than your average
Poppa twist cabbage off instinct
Niggas don't think shit stink, pink gators,
My Detroit players
Timbs for my hooligans in Brooklyn
Dead right, if the head right, Biggie there ery'night
Poppa been smooth since days of Underroos
Never lose, never choose to, bruise crews who
Do something to us, talk go through us
Girls walk to us, wanna do us, screw us
Who us? Yeah, Poppa and Puff (hehehe)
Close like Starsky and Hutch, stick the clutch
Dare I squeeze three at your cherry M-3 (Take that, take that, take that, haha!)
Bang every MC easily, busily
Recently niggas frontin ain't sayin' nuttin' (nope) so I just
Speak my piece, (c'mon) keep my piece
Cubans with the Jesus piece (thank you God), with my peeps
Packin', askin' who want it, you got it nigga flaunt it
That Brooklyn bullshit, we on it
Biggie Biggie Biggie can't you see
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me
And I just love your flashy ways
Guess that's why they broke, and you're so paid (uh)
Biggie Biggie Biggie (uh-huh) can't you see (uh)
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me (hypnotize)
And I just love your flashy ways (uh-huh)
Guess that's why they broke, and you're so paid (hah)
I put hoes in NY onto DKNY (uh-huh)
Miami, D.C. prefer Versace (that's right)
All Philly hoes, dough and Moschino (c'mon)
Every cutie wit a booty bought a Coogi (hah!)
Now who's the real dookie, meanin' who's really the shit
Them niggas ride dicks, Frank White push the sticks
On the Lexus, LX, four and a half
Bulletproof glass tints if I want some ass
Gon' blast squeeze first ask questions last
That's how most of these so-called gangsters pass
At last, a nigga rappin' bout blunts and broads
Tits and bras, menage-a-tois, sex in expensive cars
I still leave you on the pavement
Condo paid for, no car payment
At my arraignment, note for the plantiff
Your daughter's tied up in a Brooklyn basement (shhh)
Face it, not guilty, that's how I stay filthy (not guilty)
Richer than Richie, till you niggas come and get me
Biggie Biggie Biggie can't you see
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me
And I just love your flashy ways
Guess that's why they broke, and you're so paid (uh)
Biggie Biggie Biggie (uh-huh) can't you see (huh)
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me (hypnotize)
And I just love your flashy ways (uh-huh)
Guess that's why they broke, and you're so paid (uh)
I can fill ya wit' real millionaire shit (I can fill ya)
Escargot, my car go, one sixty, swiftly
Wreck it buy a new one
Your crew run run run, your crew run run
I know you sick of this, name brand nigga wit'
Flows girls say he's sweet like licorice
So get with this nigga, it's easy
Girlfriend here's a pen, call me round ten
Come through, have sex on rugs that's Persian (that's right)
Come up to your job, hit you while you workin' (uh) for certain,
Poppa freakin', not speakin'
Leave that ass leakin, like rapper demo
Tell them hoe, take they clothes off slowly
Hit 'em wit' the force like Obe, dick black like Toby (Obe, Toby)
Watch me roam like Gobe, lucky they don't owe me
Where the safe show me, homey (say what, homey)
Biggie Biggie Biggie can't you see
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me
And I just love your flashy ways
Guess that's why they broke, and you're so paid (uh)
Biggie Biggie Biggie (uh-huh) can't you see (uh)
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me (hypnotize)
And I just love your flashy ways (uh-huh)
Guess that's why they broke, and you're so paid (uh)
Biggie Biggie Biggie can't you see
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me
And I just love your flashy ways
Guess that's why they broke, and you're so paid (uh)
Biggie Biggie Biggie (uh-huh) can't you see (uh)
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me (hip to)
And I just love your flashy ways (uh-huh)
Guess that's why they broke, and you're so paid (uh)
Biggie Biggie Biggie can't you see
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me
And I just love your flashy ways
Guess that's why they broke, and you're so paid

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:40 PM   #221
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I mean, these aren't some outliers that I'm posting either. These are 2 of the most legendary rap songs.

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:41 PM   #222
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let this sink in. he thinks rap takes "nothing from the blues." Seriously, just let it sit for a moment. It might take a bit for it to totally sink in how abjectly stupid and ignorant this is
man, rap came from R&B not the blues. i have no idea what those letters stand for, however.
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:43 PM   #223
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Good heavens, shit like this makes Anthony Keidis sound like William Shakespeare

Girlfriend here's a pen, call me round ten
Come through, have sex on rugs that's Persian (that's right)
Come up to your job, hit you while you workin' (uh) for certain,
Poppa freakin', not speakin'
Leave that ass leakin, like rapper demo
Tell them hoe, take they clothes off slowly
Hit 'em wit' the force like Obe, dick black like Toby (Obe, Toby)

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:44 PM   #224
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fuzzy shut the fuck up you fuckin cro magnon

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:44 PM   #225
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and that's why anthony kiedis rules

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:47 PM   #226
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fuzzy shut the fuck up you fuckin cro magnon
Well, would you not say that Notorious BIG is one of the most beloved rap icons?

That is his lyrical content that you seem to be celebrating... To me, that lyricism is absolute rubbish... It's filth

 
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and that's why anthony kiedis rules
Haha I like him more than most.

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:56 PM   #228
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Tell me RBG, when did Howlin Wolf or BB King ever sing about content like this

"Now I love pussy (love pussy)
And pussy loves me (pussy loves me)
Like a lemon to the lime and the bubble to the bee
Ya know its real good a nigga can't resist it (it's real good)
Couldn't be a foot loop, can't be a fag, so don't get me twisted"

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 10:02 PM   #229
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if lyrical content is all that matters to you, why don't you just read poetry?

 
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I'm gonna tear it down (bed slats and all)
Oh, I'm tearing it right down (bed slats and all)
I'm tearing it down, (bed slats and all)
I'm tearing it down, (bed slats and all)
If I catch another mule kicking in my stall
Papa's gonna tear it down, I mean
Papa's gonna tear it down

Went to my window and my window was drawn
Went to my door and my door was locked
Stepped right back and I shook my head
A big black nigger in my folding bed
Shot through the window and I broke the glass
I never seen a little nigger run so fast
I catch another mule kicking in my stall
Boy, I'm gonna tear it down

"memphis jug band - tear it down - 1930s"

Got something to tell you, make the hair rise on your head
I've got somethin' to tell you, make the hair rise on your head
Got a new way of gettin' down, make the springs tremble on your bed

My gal got a new way of tremblin' down, make a crazy man leave his home
Got a new way of tremblin' down make, a crazy man leave his home
When she grabs you and turns you loose, makes the flesh tremble on your bones

"blind lemon jefferson - bed springs blues - 1929"

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Lyrical content actually doesn't matter all that much to me, but in rap it's certainly the focal point.

I more or less care about how different melodies and instrumentation blends together. Vocals for me are just another instrument.

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 10:06 PM   #232
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oooh I need a dirty woman

oooh I need a dirty gal

 
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Old 04-13-2018, 10:06 PM   #233
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rep from fuzzy: "sorry man! I win, you lose!"

you are honestly one of the stupidest people I have ever met, even on the internet. you are truly that fucking stupid. you are the Dunning Kruger effect personified in human form

 
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like if you're not gonna rap, just shut the fuck up. or maybe it's time I write you another song and rub your face in some more shit so you run away to the SP board for another month

 
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Vocals for me are just another instrument.
Vocals are more of an instrument in rap than in any other genre.

 
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you cave dwelling dirty knuckled insane jagaloon

 
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Well, if you're so smart, why are you living at home on your mothers futon? Don't you have enough intelligence to at least somewhat live like an adult?

 
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Got something to tell you, make the hair rise on your head
I've got somethin' to tell you, make the hair rise on your head
Got a new way of gettin' down, make the springs tremble on your bed

My gal got a new way of tremblin' down, make a crazy man leave his home
Got a new way of tremblin' down make, a crazy man leave his home
When she grabs you and turns you loose, makes the flesh tremble on your bones

"blind lemon jefferson - bed springs blues - 1929"

the list could go on
whoo boy i can't not post the song



(Tell me, why do them springs tremble so on your bed, baby?)

Well, my gal's got something at home that I sure do lack
Well, my gal's got something at home that I sure do lack
A soft foldin' bed, the cover all right back

Don't blame me mama for talkin' out my head
I say, don't blame me mama, talking out my head
I'm worried about the movements you've got and those springs tremblin' on your bed

 
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Well, if you're so smart, why are you living at home on your mothers futon? Don't you have enough intelligence to at least somewhat live like an adult?
are you fucking 10 years old. shut. up. shut the fuck up. you stupid fucking moron

 
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Vocals are more of an instrument in rap than in any other genre.
Yeah, but in rap, it's the instrument of focus. I more prefer when music is an amalgamation of textures.

I'm half clowning around. I was listening to the Cypress Hill album with Insane In The Brain on it the other night and it wasn't too bad. But they're one of the groups who actually played the drumbeats and basslines... I'd like more rap if it wasn't all so much computerized nonsense nowadays. I especially find the auto-tune trend to be the worst.

 
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