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Old 04-12-2018, 02:50 AM   #151
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slash is 1/2 african american

disrespect to rock music?

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:14 AM   #152
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I'm also planning on being a tout for other gamblers. I might try and get that worked out before the start of the next NBA season. I don't know anything about setting up an online subscription business or anything. I'll have to hire someone to help me.
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:16 AM   #153
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rereading what I typed, I was just basically trolling when I said that I thought it would be racist to try and rap...
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you just came up with that
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:31 AM   #154
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I gotta say, I'm a little surprised at how so many people are sticking up for the content in rap music on a The Smashing Pumpkins forum.
It's almost like not everyone on this board is mired in '90s nostalgia.

Or maybe your arguments are so thin that they are too easy to tear apart.

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:34 AM   #155
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I've actually considered the idea of doing podcasts and having local musicians and other artists and public figures on to interview as well as covering sports... Just a bit of everything.

I'm hoping I can sustain and eventually gamble for a living, and then undertake an endeavor like that.
It's good that you have dreams and honestly, I hope you see them come true someday. But I've never known a gambling alcoholic who had his shit together, at least not long-term.

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:37 AM   #156
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Remember when Axl Rose sang that song about getting away from "niggers and police"? Such a brilliant band.

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 07:14 AM   #157
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WHEN IS IT 187 ON A MOTHERFUCKING COP I AIN'T GOT ALL DAY

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 07:44 AM   #158
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YOU CAN HEAR THE CRICKETS

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Old 04-12-2018, 07:57 AM   #159
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It's almost like not everyone on this board is mired in '90s nostalgia.

Or maybe your arguments are so thin that they are too easy to tear apart.
ur father's butthole is easy to tear apart

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 07:57 AM   #160
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Old 04-12-2018, 11:03 AM   #161
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I'm a man of peace.

Reprise specifically, appeared to be very very angry when I pointed out that a lot of criminals were drawn to rap music. Reprise, what exactly do you have to say about this study done by the University of Berkeley? https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=5390075
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***you can hear the crickets***

The silence is deafening!

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You gave me 20 minutes to answer

I would have to see the actual study, which is not named on that article. See, I don't read clickbait headlines and assume they are telling the entire story. Maybe it is. But I predict a high level of correlation does not equal causation. Care to find and link the actual study to me?

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 11:08 AM   #162
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think about that!

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 12:14 PM   #163
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Findings of this study, however, should be interpreted with caution. Due to the cross-sectional nature of the data, it is difficult to make causal inferences about the relationships between music listening and substance use and aggression. It is possible that frequent exposure to rap music significantly contributes to positive values towards substance use and violence. It is also possible that individuals who often listen to rap music view substance use and violence more positively prior to listening to this genre of music; music listening thus at most reinforces these values. Alternatively, substance use, aggression, and music listening may be independent constructs but share common “third factors.” Finally, our study sample may not be representative of all community college students because our study focused on students aged 25 or younger attending daytime classes. Neither may our study findings be generalized to college students in general, as a large proportion of our survey sample (62%) was non-white. Nor may the study findings be generalized to young people who do not attend colleges. Studies with longitudinal designs and general population samples are needed to better understand the causal or dynamic relations between music listening and behaviors of substance use and aggression among young people.

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Old 04-12-2018, 12:43 PM   #164
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to be fair fuzzy said it seems to attract criminals

not that listening to rap causes criminal behavior

I don't see this as any different than dinosaur guitar bands attracting bohemians in their time and place as well

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 03:07 PM   #165
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it's probably as a simple as rap listeners are largely black, and black people in the USA are more likely to be arrested and convicted of violent crimes. why they are more likely to be criminals is a huge sociological debate but it certainly has nothing to do with rap music. therefore, this study has nothing to do with fuzzy's argument that rap music itself is associated with violence independent of other factors (e.g. "the white people i know who like rap are mostly criminals")

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 03:10 PM   #166
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glad we figured that out.
fuzzy do you need me to explain this more simply. i'd really like you to understand why this study is so majorly flawed. and it's not just this study - a large amount of psych studies have this same problem, and is why you shouldn't take articles at face value. it's a good starting point to examining a phenomenon because you can say "it seems like the are related in some way, although I can't tell how" but that's all it is.

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:05 PM   #167
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I realize I was being controversial, but pretty much every lousy criminal that I've come across in life has been a rap fan. Sure, it's a small sample size, but you look at a lot of these white criminals and what do they dress like? It's always more or less a hip-hop kind of fashion sense. I think it's because these low IQ people who think being a criminal is cool can listen to hip-hop and get that kind of life style to be glorified or at the least represented.

I realize nowadays there's "introspective rap" like Kendrick Lamaar and shit, but really, you think of that "thug life" stereotype and where does it stem from? rap music.

For example, I'd bet my life that if you had a concert hall full of say Pavement fans versus a concert hall full of Tech 9 fans that you'd have more criminals at the Tech 9 show.

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:06 PM   #168
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All of this is either here nor there though. It doesn't really matter. I just find a lot of the most famous rap music to be far too negative for my tastes, and when there's upbeat positive rap it just seems lame.

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:09 PM   #169
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Thanks for the explanation, Grunge Guy.

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:09 PM   #170
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Sobriety treating you OK?

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:11 PM   #171
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As an alcoholic and a fan of Green Day, don't you think it's at least a bit odd to celebrate any supposed link drawn between rap music and substance abuse?

You're just as much an example of a person that's been drawn to the songwriting of a fellow addict.
I don't know that I'm an alcoholic. I've been limiting myself to drinking only 2 days a week, and when I do it's responsibly, and I've been doing a pretty good job at it.

I'm a smart guy. I realize for a long time drinking was an impulsive thing for me, so I have the awareness to nip it in the bud. The problem with a lot of addicts is that they lack personal introspection. I wish it didn't take me so long to see things clearly, as I've wasted a lot of time, but better late than never.

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:14 PM   #172
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Sobriety treating you OK?
Yeah, I mean, I'm technically not sober... But I'm not casually drinking by myself anymore. I'll go drinking once or twice a week, and when I do I'm being really cognizant about doing it responsibly.

For example, I went out drinking on the weekend, and when I did, I made sure to only have a few beers beforehand, as opposed to what I'd usually do and get drunk beforehand in an effort to "save money"... Sure, buying drinks at an establishment is a lot more costly, but at least when I do that I'm not shit-faced and out of my mind. Of course buying a few double rum and cokes for 11 bucks a piece is kinda stupid, but better than being off my rocker.

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:16 PM   #173
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All of this introspection, and yet you fail to see a pattern emerging...

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:17 PM   #174
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Yeah, I mean, I'm technically not sober... But I'm not casually drinking by myself anymore. I'll go drinking once or twice a week, and when I do I'm being really cognizant about doing it responsibly.

For example, I went out drinking on the weekend, and when I did, I made sure to only have a few beers beforehand, as opposed to what I'd usually do and get drunk beforehand in an effort to "save money"... Sure, buying drinks at an establishment is a lot more costly, but at least when I do that I'm not shit-faced and out of my mind. Of course buying a few double rum and cokes for 11 bucks a piece is kinda stupid, but better than being off my rocker.
If you're not an alcoholic, why the need to pre-drink at all?

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:33 PM   #175
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:53 PM   #176
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pretty sure my next alt account will be "Rap Guy"

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 09:04 PM   #177
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it's probably as a simple as rap listeners are largely black, and black people in the USA are more likely to be arrested and convicted of violent crimes. why they are more likely to be criminals is a huge sociological debate but it certainly has nothing to do with rap music. therefore, this study has nothing to do with fuzzy's argument that rap music itself is associated with violence independent of other factors (e.g. "the white people i know who like rap are mostly criminals")
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to be fair fuzzy said it seems to attract criminals

not that listening to rap causes criminal behavior

I don't see this as any different than dinosaur guitar bands attracting bohemians in their time and place as well
music doesn't exist in a vacuum.
it is ultimately a byproduct for different people having different experiences and expressing that thru a creative medium.

rap may factually be more linked to crime, but there's little or no causality involved (or at least, no more than in the case of a death metal listener committing mass homicide). the music may be more inclined towards a particular topic that is non constructive or violent, but it's just because that is what's happening in those people's lives. not everybody gets dealt the same cards and that sucks, but that's a whole other thing.

ultimately we're all juts people and we all eat and breathe and shit the same, and all these distinctions and classifications (like rap = poor black ppl music, shoegaze = sophisticated british elite music) are bullshit and say way more about us than about the art itself.

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 09:22 PM   #178
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I think hip hop and rock have similar subject matter but one is Blacker and that is why it offends fuzzy

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Old 04-12-2018, 09:25 PM   #179
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People that listen to blues are more likely to work in a chain gang at the dawn of the 20th century.

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 09:26 PM   #180
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@ Elph: It doesn't offend me, it's just less musical. I've always been a big guitar nut, and I've always been obsessed about how certain instruments blend together. There just isn't much in the way of interesting instrumentation in rap music. It's all vocal driven, and the vocals are often very aggressive.

Or you get the new rap now like Drake and Lil Wayne where it's all auto-tuned to death... I think I actually hate that shit more.

I just think it sucks... No offense to anyone who's inspired by it.

 
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