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![]() Thanks for the explanation, Grunge Guy.
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![]() All of this introspection, and yet you fail to see a pattern emerging...
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![]() pretty sure my next alt account will be "Rap Guy"
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it is ultimately a byproduct for different people having different experiences and expressing that thru a creative medium. rap may factually be more linked to crime, but there's little or no causality involved (or at least, no more than in the case of a death metal listener committing mass homicide). the music may be more inclined towards a particular topic that is non constructive or violent, but it's just because that is what's happening in those people's lives. not everybody gets dealt the same cards and that sucks, but that's a whole other thing. ultimately we're all juts people and we all eat and breathe and shit the same, and all these distinctions and classifications (like rap = poor black ppl music, shoegaze = sophisticated british elite music) are bullshit and say way more about us than about the art itself. |
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![]() I think hip hop and rock have similar subject matter but one is Blacker and that is why it offends fuzzy
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![]() People that listen to blues are more likely to work in a chain gang at the dawn of the 20th century.
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![]() I have no problem with you thinking rap sucks. I have a problem with you saying that white rappers are racists and just creating alternate facts like people who like rap are criminals and rappers only sing about dumb things and even worse stuff that you can google in 10 seconds like eminem being a dying artist
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at one point, the well runs dry. and that is especially true when it comes to a lyrical platform such as rap. |
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![]() i've listened to eminem a bit here and there, certainly not enough to impose myself on any conversation about his continuous artistic merit/deep cuts, but nevertheless - i feel like his earlier work had an inventiveness and fresh quality to it, that is almost completely absent from his later work. his rap (at least the songs i'd heard/read the lyrics to) is now mainly a confessional vehicle, talking about his private life, daughter, rich ppl problems, guilt & shame etc.
he's just like any other successful artist who simply is not hungry anymore. just part of aging i guess. he's content, rich and famous, has rich people problems, and that reflects in the music. not any different from other rockstar fallout that took their songwriting in the exact same direction in their later years. |
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![]() I never said Eminem was at the top of his game. I said he was as popular artist who is still relevant and still popular. I don't care what you think about him, it is absurd to say he's not a prominent artist who is still active in making new music when he continues to have best selling albums over and over and over again. Just admit that you thought that he wasn't selling anything and you didn't even check before saying he was on a Corgan-slide. This isn't about Eminem, it's about your lack of critical thinking
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I'd be interested to analyze Appetite For Destruction for thematic elements and see how focused that album is on the "negative" things you are putting down rap music for. For starters, I only know one album where the CD insert is a painting of a woman who has been raped and murdered by a robot. Quote:
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I understand you probably feel threatened by the idea that your musical canon is not actually the global musical canon though, especially given most of your other worldviews are very Western/white centric. |
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![]() re: elph and bree,
just because rock and rap are both anti-establishment doesn't necessarily mean they deal with the same subject matter. i do see your point, but i think it's more akin to comparing different nations or cultures: sure, you could find some similarities, because in the end it's all people - but ultimately the context and angle from which the subject matter is approached by each party are very different. |
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i wish i loved hip hop more tbh; i only ever get moods for it every once in a blue moon. |
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you are right though, especially as rock music was absorbed into white culture and came to reflect for the most part a very different experience |
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in that classic rock is still all sex, drugs, violence, misogyny |
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![]() what is classic rock
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![]() those are pretty much the cornerstones of all blues (pre-war) and then r&b and rock and roll
so basically all western music since the beginning of the 20th century |
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Not to say there haven't been innovations, but rather that hip-hop and rap as a societal critique is dead, much like rock and roll decades before. Point being is that when discussing rap and hip-hop, we have 40 years of history to talk about and you easily get in trouble trying to distill a complex history into one genre. I don't even know who I'm talking to. Just throwing another chair in the ring, I guess. |
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Oh-Oh-Oh, whoa Go Inside a Wall Street mind a psycho lurks Lines of cocaine cut in Hell Obsessive hands gently grab your neck Compulsively you'll die. I hate people Whoa-oh, whoa-oh, Oh-Oh-Oh, whoa-oh Struggling to breathe, go The sweet asphyxiation and dismemberment Sex puts me in the mood to make you die Obsessive hands gently grab your neck Look into sick eyes I hate people Whoa-oh, whoa-oh, Oh-Oh-Oh, whoa-oh Struggling to breathe Go A machine of penalty Go The sweet insanity Go Fade to black tranquility Go You're looking through the eyes of a psycho, whoa-oh An American Psycho, whoa-oh An American Psycho, whoa-oh An American Psycho Psycho Inside a Wall Street mind a psycho lurks Lines of cocaine cut in Hell Obsessive hands gently grab your neck Compulsively you'll die... I hate people Whoa-oh, whoa-oh, Oh-Oh-Oh, whoa-oh Struggling to breathe Go A machine of penalty Go The sweet insanity Go Fade to black tranquility Go You're looking through the eyes of a psycho, whoa-oh An American Psycho, whoa-oh An American Psycho, whoa-oh An American Psycho Psycho, psycho, psycho, psycho |
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