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Old 04-11-2018, 10:17 PM   #121
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It's a fascinating read, and it's always good to take wisdom from others' experience. Take the advice and apply where necessary in your own journey

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 10:19 PM   #122
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I gotta say, I'm a little surprised at how so many people are sticking up for the content in rap music on a The Smashing Pumpkins forum.

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 10:20 PM   #123
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It's a fascinating read, and it's always good to take wisdom from others' experience. Take the advice and apply where necessary in your own journey
Why do you not appear to apply this advice where it concerns the works of rap artists, though?

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 10:24 PM   #124
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It's a lot of posturing from these rap artists. They're so concerned about looking and appearing "cool". I think the content isn't very good or insightful. Of course that would be a none-story if the music was good, but with rap, the vocals are always the main focus... Another reason I don't like the type of music.

When I listen to music, the lyrics can be crap, but if they sound cool and work well with the music then I really don't care... Unless it's like Red Hot Chilli Peppers Around The World bad.

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 10:26 PM   #125
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rereading what I typed, I was just basically trolling when I said that I thought it would be racist to try and rap... I mean, it's a contest, who cares? Nonetheless, there was definite truth in what I was trying to articulate.

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 10:34 PM   #126
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Earlier, you seemed to suggest that your dislike of rap stemmed from an inability to relate to it. Now, you appear to be suggesting that it contains nothing worth relating to. Which is it?

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 10:36 PM   #127
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I'd say that those are 2 nuts on the same sundae.

Look, I think rap sucks. I don't know what else to say. I mean I guess I like some of the sillier Beastie Boys songs and shit like Bloodhound Gang, but I mean, basically it's something I don't see any appeal in.

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 10:38 PM   #128
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It's interesting that the two examples you've just given of rap-associated acts you're able to derive some enjoyment from both appear to feature a white-only cast.

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 10:44 PM   #129
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Happenstance, man.

I like a lot of black artists. Jimi Hendrix, Donna Summer, James Brown, Michael Jackson, George Clinton, Bob Marley ETC. The list really goes on all day.

So I mean, it really is unfair to rationalize my distaste of rap for being a racist thing

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 10:56 PM   #130
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You've just admitted to finding there to be nothing worth relating to as far as the experiences of black artists within a genre you've attributed to black culture go, however.

How can you claim that there's not a racial element to your views in light of this, particularly when considering that you've also gone on to make exceptions for a list of only white artists?

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:01 PM   #131
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Just because certain group of artists wanna glorify the behaviors of some bad people, doesn't mean that it's a representation of a race as a whole.

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:02 PM   #132
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There are a lot of black people who rally against the messages in rap music. I think there's actually charitable groups of black folks who reject the music.

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:06 PM   #133
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When you refer to "some bad people," can we assume that you must therefore be referring quite specifically to people within the black community?

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:06 PM   #134
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https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=5390075


Study: Rap Music Linked to Alcohol, Violence

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A recent study by the Prevention Research Center of the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation in Berkeley, Calif., suggests young people who listen to rap and hip-hop are more likely to abuse alcohol and commit violent acts. Ed Gordon discusses the issue with Denise Herd, an associate professor at the University of California Berkeley School of Public Health, and David Jernigan, executive director of the Center on Alcohol Marketing and Youth at Georgetown University
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:06 PM   #135
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I mean, see? It's not like I'm making this shit up. A lot of shitty people are drawn to the messages in rap music.

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:08 PM   #136
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When you refer to "some bad people," can we assume that you must therefore be referring quite specifically to people within the black community?
Nope, there's whites and mexicans and any race that thinks it's cool to partake in criminal behavior. But rap music is the kind of music that focuses and glorifies that behavior most... I don't see how that can be argued.

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:11 PM   #137
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If you listen to the vocals of some black artists, they're able to sing and rap in ways that white people can't. I mean, you'd probably have trouble finding a white female with the pipes of Aretha Franklin, just as you likely won't see a white guy with the pipes to rap like The Notorious B.I.G.

Some may find that offensive, but you can even read Clive Davis' book, any real music person will tell you that there's truth in that.

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:13 PM   #138
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Are you therefore morally opposed to any music that glorifies antisocial behavior?

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:14 PM   #139
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Hell no, but I am against glorifying violence

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:14 PM   #140
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It amazes me that you guys can always rage against gun culture, and then be such cheerleaders for rap music.

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:15 PM   #141
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Okay, so it's only music that promotes violence that you're opposed to?

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:19 PM   #142
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I'm a man of peace.

Reprise specifically, appeared to be very very angry when I pointed out that a lot of criminals were drawn to rap music. Reprise, what exactly do you have to say about this study done by the University of Berkeley? https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=5390075

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:21 PM   #143
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That must mean you're totally fine with any and all rap songs that make no positive references to violence, in that case?

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:24 PM   #144
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That must mean you're totally fine with any and all rap songs that make no positive references to violence, in that case?
Nah, I just don't like the type of music for the most part... Needs better musicianship and less formulaic song structures.

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:26 PM   #145
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Reprise specifically, appeared to be very very angry when I pointed out that a lot of criminals were drawn to rap music. Reprise, what exactly do you have to say about this study done by the University of Berkeley? https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=5390075
Oh Reprise, we're waiting

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:28 PM   #146
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***you can hear the crickets***

The silence is deafening!

Put one up for the Fuzzster

 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:37 PM   #147
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As an alcoholic and a fan of Green Day, don't you think it's at least a bit odd to celebrate any supposed link drawn between rap music and substance abuse?

You're just as much an example of a person that's been drawn to the songwriting of a fellow addict.

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 01:19 AM   #148
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***you can hear the crickets***

The silence is deafening!

Put one up for the Fuzzster
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Old 04-12-2018, 01:36 AM   #149
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guns in the band name destruction in the album title

copious references to illicit drugs

kinda violent, pretty criminal

but what's missing

 
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Old 04-12-2018, 02:47 AM   #150
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guns in the band name destruction in the album title

copious references to illicit drugs

kinda violent, pretty criminal

but what's missing
who is this band you speak of

 
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