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Old 02-18-2018, 09:50 PM   #91
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You have these young people with their WHOLE ENTIRE LIVES AHEAD OF THEM, and their best idea is to be a murdering psychopath.

We need to find out WHY-THAT-IS... plain and simple.
fascinating that this is your attitude when the perp is white

curious that I have never seen you talk about terrorism or violence by black or brown people the same way

 
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Old 02-18-2018, 09:54 PM   #92
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at this point I can't imagine that any event like this would turn things around. the 2nd Amendment historically wasn't even viewed as an unlimited personal right to own guns, it was always viewed in the context of being in a militia until the last half century when the NRA became an evil special interest group and changed public opinion all the way up to SCOTUS
yeah for every encouraging cry for change i see, there is also two quips about "guns don't kill people! do spoons make you fat? do pencils misspell words?"

 
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Old 02-18-2018, 10:11 PM   #93
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Anyways, my prayers go out to the loved ones and victims of these terrible act.. I'm not trying to rationalize anything here. It's a complete and utter nightmare... But we can't be simple minded in trying to get down to the root cause. That's all I'm saying.
shut the uck up fuzzy

 
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Old 02-18-2018, 10:12 PM   #94
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Woah, why did the number of pages on this thread suddenly double?

Oh, fuzzy has been posting.

 
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Old 02-18-2018, 10:22 PM   #96
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He's drinking. Like a lord.

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 12:08 AM   #97
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Old 02-19-2018, 12:16 AM   #98
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Old 02-19-2018, 12:22 AM   #99
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fuzzy is not wrong in that there are things beyond the availability of assault weapons that contribute to this fucked state that the US is in (and in many ways, the whole world).

the rise of the internet and the obsessive preoccupation with violence in literally any available medium, be it TV, comic books, cinema, art, music, computer games... it's making everything way too accessible to those who are predisposed to sociopathic or violent tendencies. literally everyone these days has a completely private device that nobody but them has access to, with which it's so easy to get into very dark niches, get reaffirmation for whatever fucked up shit you're into because "other people are into it too", get soaked up in the glorification of serial killers, violent criminals... you name it.

i used to play a lot of violent games as a kid, and in hindsight definitely had a predisposition towards the macabre, i would say, but i honestly don't want to think where i'd be if i grew up in this modern age, where any child anywhere could go on the internet and have easy and completely unhindered access to hard pornography, snuff, stomach turning violence, limitless detailed information about severely ill people who made a name for themselves hurting and killing other people ,etc. i'm very thankful that i didn't tbh.

but anyway, to cap this off, while there certainly needs to be a wholly new system for acquiring weapons in the US, i do think humanity needs a much deeper examination of how all this stuff influences newer generations. cause right now we basically supply every child with a commando knife, a blowtorch and a machete, and tell them to go have fun and pls not make any ill use of it. it's all horrifically imbalanced, and the potential such access to infinite amounts of knowledge brings is far more likely to end in bad consequence than good.

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Old 02-19-2018, 12:58 AM   #100
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we started paying the most attention at the turn of the millennium but there are records of mass shootings dating all the way back to 1949

do you think these antisocial types are going to have the connections to get a gun off the black market, maybe some will, others won't and there you go lives saved

the problem is TOO MANY GUNS, everything else is a distraction

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:31 AM   #101
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Thinking in terms of dichotomy is never a good thing

Take that to mean what you want

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 07:59 AM   #102
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I shouldn't even bother though... I'm gonna be misconstrued. I would like to see a better screening process in the United States... That would literally only be a band-aid on the bigger issue at hand though...

The thing society needs to get to the bottom of is why there is such an astonishing increase in this violent behavior... What is possibly going through a persons mind to unleash such hatred and violence? That is the big issue, and unless that gets solved, these reckless wastes of life will continue to happen and happen...

And think of it... If someone is THAT determined that they're literally going to go on a murdering spree, do you not think they'll find access to weaponry whether or not they can legally purchase it? These are extreme acts... Do you think simply not being allowed to by weaponry at Walmart will deter these utter maniacs? If you do, you're fucking dreaming and delusional.. I'll tell you that right now. They'll just easily get the weapons on the black-market... That's the dilemma about it all.
Look, I don't think violence in the media and video games etc play no role. But these are available in every country with the internet, not just the United States. Might these children and adults try to murder people even if they didn't have guns? Some of them probably would, and others wouldn't. What is for sure is they could not rack up body counts to nearly the same degree with bladed or blunt weapons. So while having much tougher gun regulations is a band-aid, it's a damn good first step, and one that is completely necessary.

As for them finding guns on the black market. Someone like the Parkland kid has no connections to the black market. How would he even go about that? He's a weird kid, possibly autistic, and everyone was afraid of him. C'mon, there's no way he would have gotten an AR-15 on the black market. Maybe he would have knifed some people but he wouldn't have shot 32 people, killing 17 of them. Almost every single mass shooting involves legally acquired guns, or the theft of legally acquired guns from family members. Any barriers we can put up to gun ownership can mean life or death to potential victims. Background checks, face-to-face mental health exams, mandatory gun safety courses, harsh penalties for not registering guns, no private sale of guns without going through an intermediary where the buyer has to go through the same checks and exams. Renewable registration with subsequent mental health exams at each registration. All of this at the expense of the gun owner.

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:30 AM   #103
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literally everyone these days has a completely private device that nobody but them has access to
it is generally accepted (in the US, at least) that none of these devices are actually private. Although it doesn't seem like that has done a thing to prevent crime.

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:04 AM   #104
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also saw this today.."it's strange how people with mental health issues don't do this in other countries. it's almost like there's another reason."

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:43 AM   #105
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eh-edit nevermind, I didn't realize this is just a back-and-forth fuzzy educational thread.

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Old 02-19-2018, 01:12 PM   #106
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jeremy spoke in class today

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:43 AM   #107
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also saw this today.."it's strange how people with mental health issues don't do this in other countries. it's almost like there's another reason."
Indeed, ‘tis a strange conundrum.

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 04:07 AM   #108
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Indeed, ‘tis a strange conundrum.
Hey, you don't have mass shootings in your country because you don't have freedom. Never change the gun laws! Cause what would be next to give up, freedom of speech?

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:24 AM   #109
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let's all just assume a raging political discussion took place and got malicious and that somebody got called a nazi. ok great now let's argue about which pumpkins record is the best or something

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:25 AM   #110
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:37 AM   #111
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:41 PM   #112
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Re: everything that has been said, I don't think the mere presence of more guns in and of itself is making people go on shooting sprees. Obviously we can look at a country like Israel and tell that just because you have a lot of people holding weapons doesn't mean mass shootings are unavoidable. Yes, there are definitely cultural reasons why this is happening, and yeah, it would be great to address the root causes if we could figure them out.

HOWEVER, the NRA and the gun industry is so powerful in this country that they successfully lobbied Republicans in Congress to pass a ban on federal money for gun violence research in the 1990s. Yes, let's say it again for those in the back. IT IS ILLEGAL FOR THE US GOVERNMENT TO RESEARCH GUN VIOLENCE. Republicans backed by the NRA are also the reason we have no universal background check, no way to stop people from being guns with no ID on the internet or at guns shows... so to try and separate the two parts of this issue shows a misunderstanding of what is going on with guns in the US.

The gun lobby has flooded our country with assault weapons, bought their own invulnerability via Republicans in Congress, and sponsored a decades long national legal push to overturn gun laws in every state. And then ON TOP of that, they then made it illegal for the government to research gun violence. It would be wonderful if we could figure out what specifically is fueling this behavior in the US, but right now the only research even being done is by private liberal groups. Furthermore, at least some of this trend can probably be attributed to a copycat effect (there is some evidence that when the media reports on suicides, it actually leads to a spike in attempted suicides. not the same, no, but behavior is contagious and there are good examples of viral criminal acts as well). Are tough gun laws going to fix the underlying cultural issues making people want to murder dozens of people? No. But if you are bleeding profusely you should probably stop the bleeding before you sit down and scratch your chin and wonder what the heck is goin on with all that blood

The gun lobby created this reality and we need to get them under control. We need commonsense gun laws that actually make it difficult to buy a firearm. We need a new assault weapons ban. Time and time again we hear that people would just get guns illegally and commit shootings, however nearly all mass shooters use legally purchased guns, so how could we even know that? It seems pretty likely that if buying a gun were very difficult, a lot of these antisocial whiteboy terrorists would not be able to get one.

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Old 02-20-2018, 02:50 PM   #113
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:09 PM   #114
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Video game culture is fucking HUGE... It's one form of physical media that is still growing and doing business like gangbusters... You look at the majority of the top bought games? It's all of these violent shooting massacre titles. I don't think children and teenagers should be spending the majority of their time fantasizing about shit like this, do you?

It's cancerous... And I know it's "unhip" to blame video games, but really... Most adults aren't even aware of these games that children and teens are playing... It's INCREDIBLY violent and ever increasingly lifelike.

I'm telling you guys, you ban these video games and there would be a dip in these violent nightmares... You have kids sitting there all day long in front of their monitors and TV screens blasting peoples brains out... You don't think it's gonna reach their mind when they reach a breaking point and figure they have nothing left to lose?
It's funny how people who don't support gun control in the U.S. because "muh founding fathers" and "muh Second Amendment" are totally fine with repealing the First Amendment.

 
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There are people like that in the US? o.O

 
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rap music, video games, and other stuff old people don't understand

 
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I think you're always going to have nutters we can't control that

we can make it harder for nutters to get mass killing machines

 
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I think you're always going to have nutters we can't control that

we can make it harder for nutters to get mass killing machines
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hmm there seems to be a trending line but i'm not sure??????????

 
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