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Old 02-04-2018, 09:06 PM   #151
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Well if you look back at all the rock and roll legends, they're all black. They created the genre, it wasn't until you got these white guy knockoffs that the music started to be embraced by wider margin of people.
no they aren't. chuck berry? little richard? no one called that rock music. White people TOOK their music and started calling it rock music.

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:10 PM   #152
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well white people called chuck berry rock'n'roll which afaik is a name derrived from rhythm and blues

for instance

If you tried to give rock and roll another name, you might call it Chuck Berry
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:11 PM   #153
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The term "rock and roll" probably comes from black vernacular, but as applied to music, it was coined by a white DJ named Alan Freed in the mid 50s who promoted the idea that blues, R&B, and country were all coming together to form something new (closer to what we would call rockabilly music now). He actually had quite a positive vision and helped bring black music to white audiences and often promoted black artists to white people who previously would only have heard white covers of popular black songs... but the effect was that within a few years, rock and roll was the white version of sped up R&B with some country, and music within black culture went off on a parallel but separate trajectory

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:13 PM   #154
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bottom line is that no matter what way you cut it, calling rock and roll "the blackest form of music" is almost impossibly stupid and inaccurate

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:13 PM   #155
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I'm not really an expert on that and don't care what's important is fuck you fuzzy the music you like is the equivalent of the dumbest hip hop you can imagine just with guitars

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:13 PM   #156
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You know darn well what I'm talking about.
Nope.

I'm waiting for you to show me, though.

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:15 PM   #157
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how can a genre that had its name around 1900 already be a "subset" of something that came 40 years later. hm....

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:17 PM   #158
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Well of course... Who cares what they call it, it's a sound created and made famous by black artists... And yes, I'm including the blues. I consider the blues to be a subset of rock and roll.
blues is mostly the evolution of slave work songs and spirituals. it is not a subset of rock and roll. speaking of roll, you really are on one tonight, in terms of saying the most asinine and inaccurate things imaginable

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:19 PM   #159
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Rock and Roll is a derivative from the Blues.... Blues is a black genre... I am also a huge blues fan, so substitute rock and roll with the blues if you find it more accurate.
you are so full of shit, shut the fuck up

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:20 PM   #160
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substitute what you're saying with anything else and you'll find yourself more accurate

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:20 PM   #161
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Fuzzy are you drinking on a Sunday night?

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:20 PM   #162
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fuzzy you do understand that if you actually fucking knew anything or tried to educate yourself about things you want to talk about in the slightest, you wouldn't have to run around trying to sloppily cover your inaccuracies and untruths with plausible deniability, red herring, fallacy, and nonsense, yeah?

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:20 PM   #163
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another round of fuzzy is not very bright

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:21 PM   #164
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country is derivative of traditional Irish folk music, therefore I consider country music to be Irish.

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:22 PM   #165
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I am a derivative of my uncle. my uncle is a man. I like my uncle. I am a man.

(did I get it right?)

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:23 PM   #166
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You still hear Blues on Rock radio don't you?

Stevie Ray Vaughn was one of the most acclaimed rock artists of the 80's... What kind of music would you say he played?

If you guys can't hear how the ancestors of rock and roll were all black then I must encourage you to do a little history research on the topic.
you've been defeated and thus have changed your argument and are now trying to convince us this is what you were saying the whole time but it isn't and we're not your dumbass trumptarded friends. we see through you.

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:24 PM   #167
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btw SRV is blues mostly in image, the style he plays is basically a Hendrix rip off to the point where if you are familiar with Hendrix, you can predict where SRV is going to move his fingers next when he is soloing. Hendrix is blues inspired, but is not really blues.

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:25 PM   #168
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You wouldn't have rock and roll without artists like Bo Didley , Chuck Berry, Ike Turner, Fats Domino. Rock and Roll is rooted in the blackest of cultures...
I wouldn't be alive if my dad hadn't donated his sperm to my mom. Am I my father?

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:26 PM   #169
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rbg quick help my denglish - if B is a subset of A, how can A be rooted in B?

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:27 PM   #170
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Just cause I can't personally relate with and don't think that the baseline lyrical content in rap is cool doesn't mean anything regarding race.
this isn't even true, you're just stereotyping. by your own admission you have practically never listened to rap in your life.

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:27 PM   #171
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Nearly every time fuzzyroes voices an opinion, what follows is a flurry of incredulous outrage and/or mocking scorn.

I like to think that I'd have noticed if expressing myself was the common denominator in nearly all accusations of ignorance and stupidity across the forums.

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:27 PM   #172
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You're arguing about semantics. Go and talk to any brother and he'll tell you that Rock And Roll is a black genre.. I don't really need your whitesplaining on this topic.
you deserve to be beaten for saying this

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:28 PM   #173
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Nearly every time fuzzyroes voices an opinion, what follows is a flurry of incredulous outrage and/or mocking scorn.
this is neither outrage nor scorn, I would just really like to get to the bottom of the roots of the subset here, pay attention!

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:29 PM   #174
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you actually deserve to be beaten thoroughly once for referring to black men as "brothers," and then beaten a whole second time for misusing "whitesplaining" in a multitude of criss-crossing ways

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:30 PM   #175
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arguing with fuzzy and watching him try to pick up leftist or social justice vocabulary is like watching a toddler learn a new word from his parent during a tantrum and then using it against them 10 seconds later

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:31 PM   #176
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Here's a little easy to understand information simply laid out for you to help you learn.
https://mic.com/articles/136969/who-...ons#.oQ2v2Xkme
you're just trying to change your argument. you're moving the goal posts. we all know that rock is derivative of black forms of music. you aren't educating anyone you dumbass.

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:33 PM   #177
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Read the lyrical content in the biggest landmark rap albums... A lot of the content is very misogynistic, bigoted, homophobic aside from other very baseline thoughts and opinions.
read the content of your own posts and you will find the same

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:34 PM   #178
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hey guys, what's the difference between rap music and Guns and Roses?

In rap music you might hear the n wo.... oh wait

 
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Black people use it all of the time with one another and often refer to themselves by it.
oh well then it can't be racist then when white people say it lmfao

 
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:38 PM   #180
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anyway you could say that in a rap

 
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