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Old 07-06-2007, 08:43 AM   #1
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Red face mBeat: Iha & D'arcy rejected reunion contract

When I picked up my copy today from Müller (version with Zeitgeist), i took their store magazine with me that had an article on Zeitgeist. To my surprise the article claims that Billy called Iha and D'arcy "greedy and uncooperative", because they wouldn't accept billy's contract for the reunion. the contractual conditions apparently were: no participation in creative matters, no compensation for travel expenses and no royalties from album sales and merchandise.

Can anyone confirm this?
I wouldn't know where they got this info from....so i'm calling bullshit

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:45 AM   #2
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someone posted this here yesterday and it was as dubious then as it is now but that is the second time.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:45 AM   #3
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oh sorry

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:46 AM   #4
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no I meant it's the second time someone has seen it. no need to apologise.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:46 AM   #5
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Yeah, I saw that too. Probably bullshit. Why should some writer from a 4th class store magazine know such details? Billy would never talk about stuff like that...

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:54 AM   #6
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Yeah, I saw that too. Probably bullshit. Why should some writer from a 4th class store magazine know such details? Billy would never talk about stuff like that...
that's correct. although record labels usually pay those store magazines for covers, articles and reviews so they can't really write what they want....i really don't know what to think of this

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:55 AM   #7
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it could be partially true.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:57 AM   #8
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Could BC legally set those terms to original members? James has writing credits and all.. But I know nothing about that kind of stuff.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:58 AM   #9
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well he seems to have the rights to the smashing pumpkins name, so i guess he can

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:00 AM   #10
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I agree....I think this is a bunch of BS....the writer is probably an opportunist looking to get his or her name out there by lying.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:02 AM   #11
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how would this info get out though? Only BC/JC/Darcy/James or the lawyers would have been involved so if true it came from James/Darcy but that's unlikely.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:06 AM   #12
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they also claim that the same happened with matt chamberlain back in 1996 and i do remember something like that

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:07 AM   #13
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with Matt C it was fully neccessary and perfectly understandable.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:08 AM   #14
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Why would he make an offer like that, if he knows they'd take some convincing to join up? It sounds like an offer he'd only make with the intention of making them turn it down.

I mean, he's not telling the press "I offered but they didn't want to be a part of the grand rebirth of the Pumpkins heart (sniff, sniff)," so what would his reasoning be?

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:10 AM   #15
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So it's possible. It sounds also similar to what Eric Avery said about his potential involvement

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:13 AM   #16
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It almost sounds like he didn't give a rat's ass if they were in or out.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:13 AM   #17
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official contact is up on TMZ.com - http://www.tmz.com/billyscontract

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:15 AM   #18
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official contact is up on TMZ.com - http://www.tmz.com/billyscontract
I fell for that because I like you.
I need to pay better attention.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:16 AM   #19
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I fell for that because I like you.
I need to pay better attention.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:17 AM   #20
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It almost sounds like he didn't give a rat's ass if they were in or out.
you can't really blame him if they just don't get along anymore.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:17 AM   #21
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So that's the second time I've beed had!

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:18 AM   #22
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I'm suprised (but I'm not) that "mainstream" media hasn't been chalking up this story/the reunion. They love going on and on and on and on about Prima Donnas.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:19 AM   #23
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you can't really blame him if they just don't get along anymore.
I guess I can't. Who would willing want to work with people they despise? Let alone spend months on the road together.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:19 AM   #24
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I remember reading on some social news website (fark?) that when they were auditioning people, one of the people that auditioned posted that they are being surprisingly stingy with the pay. I also remember the part about no travel accommodations.

I still don't think BC would have ran his mouth about this as he's been really unwilling to discuss that kind of stuff.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:20 AM   #25
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well I can see this one blowing up in all the wrong places.

 
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well I can see this one blowing up in all the wrong places.
Those places being?

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:23 AM   #27
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Well the media basically. There will be a mention in every review from here on in etc.

Sample:

"Before I get to Zeitgeist it's important to note the absence of both Iha and bassist D'arcy Wretzky who reportedly refused to sign a contract devised by Corgan himself excluding them and royalties and any artistic input".

That's gold for alot of music critics.

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:24 AM   #28
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don't know...it's just a little german store magazine

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:25 AM   #29
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Well the media basically. There will be a mention in every review from here on in etc.
Negative attention is abundant.

This whole no travel expenses shit? This means Jeff & Ginger had to pay their own way around Europe?

 
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:26 AM   #30
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yeah, jeff was staying in the same youth hostel as me in paris

while billy was probably at the hilton (please no paris jokes now)

 
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