What's the point of all this negativity?

[Funbags]

I can't believe you're all arguing politics.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by pinetree

example: racial profiling should be used in some cases. just ask israel.

lmfao wow, funny how the "objective moderate devil's advocate guy" always turns out to be a fascist piece of garbage

Originally Posted by pinetree

did you experience any trouble or racism being a minority?

whites are not a minority

[pinetree]

Originally Posted by Funbags

I can't believe you're all arguing politics.

just biding time until billy''s next instagram post

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by pinetree

how do you know the human brain isn't "correct" - that is, how do you know the instinct to be afraid isn't one of valid self-preservation? I was just reading a Stephen hawking piece the other day wherein byproducts of human evolution could eventually end the species. I'm sure you'll say because liberalism is expanding. maybe you're right but still a valid question.

"hey just for the sake of argument, what if racism is right?"

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by pinetree

example: racial profiling should be used in some cases. just ask israel.

another: affirmative action is deeply flawed. while the underlying concept may be noble, the fact is the system is abused and distorted to resemble nothing of the original intent

Actual examples of both of these?

[pinetree]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

lmfao wow, funny how the "objective moderate devil's advocate guy" always turns out to be a fascist piece of garbage



whites are not a minority

in his school he was a minority. read a dictionary sometimes, dick. or at least have a clue what conversation you're getting into.

fascist sounds cool I'll take it

[pinetree]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

"hey just for the sake of argument, what if racism is right?"

should the native Americans have been wary of the Europeans? or would that have been too racist?

[pinetree]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Actual examples of both of these?

terrorism demographics

government contracts being awarded to " minority businesses" just because the founder of the company two generations ago was hispanic, and all current employees are white Americans. meanwhile no effort made to enhance opportunities to economically depressed black communitues

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by pinetree

in his school he was a minority. read a dictionary sometimes, dick. or at least have a clue what conversation you're getting into.

fascist sounds cool I'll take it

did you forget that quickly that I am the person in question and not some third party?

being a minority within a minority is not comparable to the experience of being a minority within a majority

Originally Posted by pinetree

should the native Americans have been wary of the Europeans? or would that have been too racist?

you can't be racist if you are on the lower end of the power differential dumbass

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by pinetree

terrorism demographics

oh you mean how most terrorists are white, right?

[pinetree]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

did you forget that quickly that I am the person in question and not some third party?

being a minority within a minority is not comparable to the experience of being a minority within a majority



you can't be racist if you are on the lower end of the power differential dumbass

you and I see the world in different ways. I'll leave it at that.

[pinetree]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

oh you mean how most terrorists are white, right?

I was answering a question about israel

[pinetree]

redbree gull rep comment: "go stick your face in a garbage disposal"

classy guy

[pinetree]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

did you forget that quickly that I am the person in question and not some third party?

being a minority within a minority is not comparable to the experience of being a minority within a majority



you can't be racist if you are on the lower end of the power differential dumbass

BTW what's your definition of power?

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by pinetree

how do you know the human brain isn't "correct" - that is, how do you know the instinct to be afraid isn't one of valid self-preservation? I was just reading a Stephen hawking piece the other day wherein byproducts of human evolution could eventually end the species. I'm sure you'll say because liberalism is expanding. maybe you're right but still a valid question.

evo psych rejects species-level natural selection/group selection. so the fact that popular human actions could lead to the end of the species doesn't really matter to the individual, because the individual is only interested in their own genes, evolutionary speaking. humans do lots of things that seem to hurt the species. a really simple example is birth rates: people use contraceptive, choose not to have children, have abortions, etc. and if you take a gene's eye view - which is the most common view in evo psych - it makes absolutely no sense to choose not to breed, except perhaps in an extreme situation like you have an identical twin (same genes) that has children you help take care of.

as for self-preservation: there is no "correct." the more conservative you are about who you interact with, the more you have to contend with a small pool of genes with which to bread, which would depress the species as a whole if that is what everybody did, and is in fact why there is an incest taboo (on the most extreme level). if you are more liberal and interact with more people, your offspring could have more genetic variability, which is good for them and the species. but maybe you'll meet someone who decides to murder you and thus you'll have no children, or your children won't have maternal/paternal care. it's all a trade off.

if i must make a disclaimer: this is what evo psych contends and is not necessarily fact, although i find a lot of it pretty convincing

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by pinetree

terrorism demographics

Most Muslims are not terrorists, so this logic fails.

government contracts being awarded to " minority businesses" just because the founder of the company two generations ago was hispanic, and all current employees are white Americans. meanwhile no effort made to enhance opportunities to economically depressed black communitues

These are two separate issues you connected.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by pinetree

I was answering a question about israel

oh you mean a terrorist like netanyahu

Originally Posted by pinetree

BTW what's your definition of power?

well let's see, which side had advanced firearms, ships capable of crossing the ocean in a matter of weeks, international empires and puppet governments across the globe, scientific medicine and biological warfare, slavery based on racial castes, and enough money and resources to wage genocide and colonial war on 6 continents simultaneously?

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by pinetree

terrorism demographics

government contracts being awarded to " minority businesses" just because the founder of the company two generations ago was hispanic, and all current employees are white Americans. meanwhile no effort made to enhance opportunities to economically depressed black communitues

this sounds like you think affirmative action just needs to do a better job, if anything

[pinetree]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

oh you mean a terrorist like netanyahu



well let's see, which side had advanced firearms, ships capable of crossing the ocean in a matter of weeks, international empires and puppet governments across the globe, scientific medicine and biological warfare, slavery based on racial castes, and enough money and resources to wage genocide and colonial war on 6 continents on the globe simultaneously?

sounds pretty powerful to me. those pesky europeans?

[pinetree]

Originally Posted by reprise85

this sounds like you think affirmative action just needs to do a better job, if anything

I'm absolutely for enabling all Americans of all backgrounds equal opportunity.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by pinetree

I'm absolutely for enabling all Americans of all backgrounds equal opportunity.

But that assumes a level playing field to begin with, which isn't so.

[pinetree]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

But that assumes a level playing field to begin with, which isn't so.

the issue you're referring to can't be solved, or even helped, by affirmative action.

I live in a city with 300 murders every year, predominantly black on black. no one can argue that's a problem. but I would be curious what some of you feel is the solution? and if you have the answers, why don't you come run for mayor here in Baltimore? clean things up.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by pinetree

the issue you're referring to can't be solved, or even helped, by affirmative action.

Racial disparity in the workplace can't be helped by affirmative action?

I live in a city with 300 murders every year, predominantly black on black. no one can argue that's a problem. but I would be curious what some of you feel is the solution? and if you have the answers, why don't you come run for mayor here in Baltimore? clean things up.

Misdirection. We were talking about affirmative action, not gang violence. Why are you changing the subject?

[reprise85]

could you also consider the murders to be "poor on poor?" calling it black on black makes it seem like you are saying it is because they are black.

[pinetree]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Racial disparity in the workplace can't be helped by affirmative action?



Misdirection. We were talking about affirmative action, not gang violence. Why are you changing the subject?

if you were referring to racial disparity in the work place, then I disagree with you that it's a problem, generally speaking. I just interviewed 4 people for a job last week. 3 whites and a black. I hIred the black guy, why? because he performed best in the interview and his qualifications were great. no affirmative action needed. I care about getting the job done, period.
as for changing the subject, I misunderstood your premise in "part 1"

[pinetree]

Originally Posted by reprise85

could you also consider the murders to be "poor on poor?" calling it black on black makes it seem like you are saying it is because they are black.

definitely. which leads into, why are blacks disproportionately poor and what can be done to fix it?

[pinetree]

hispanics from below the border enter this country with zero dollars, yet they are not commiting disproportionate acts of violence. they are working hard and seem to be pretty happy to me.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by pinetree

if you were referring to racial disparity in the work place, then I disagree with you that it's a problem, generally speaking. I just interviewed 4 people for a job last week. 3 whites and a black. I hIred the black guy, why? because he performed best in the interview and his qualifications were great. no affirmative action needed.

I'm glad your anecdotal evidence proved worthwhile to an individual who would otherwise be at a disadvantage in the workplace. If only other employers were as level headed and unprejudiced as you.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by pinetree

definitely. which leads into, why are blacks disproportionately poor and what can be done to fix it?

yeah I wonder why black people are poor, that's a tough one

[pinetree]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

yeah I wonder why black people are poor, that's a tough one

you don't seem to have many solutions, smart guy