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Old 12-10-2014, 02:28 AM   #211
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I Feel You is a good song

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 03:56 AM   #212
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at times Depeche Mode were a really good band, seriously

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 03:58 AM   #213
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I'm not nearly glued to the idea of DM being post-punk as I am with the other groups I mentioned, but if you look at who these guys site as their influences (Kraftwork, VU, Clash, and Bowie) it's the exact same bands that are on Ian Curtis's list.

For me Post-Punk means "late 70's and 80's dance rock" and that's exactly what DM are

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 04:00 AM   #214
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Like Punk is music you head bang to

Pop and Club is music you dance to

Post-punk is music where you do a weird combination of both

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 04:03 AM   #215
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And yes Depeche is awesome in every way

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 04:20 AM   #216
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I'm not nearly glued to the idea of DM being post-punk as I am with the other groups I mentioned, but if you look at who these guys site as their influences (Kraftwork, VU, Clash, and Bowie) it's the exact same bands that are on Ian Curtis's list.
so?

just because a band lists other bands as influences, doesn't mean that they are in any way LIKE those bands.


i mean i dont hear VU in Depeche Modes music ANYWHERE.

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 04:34 AM   #217
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most bands worth a damn aren't really easily capped by genre locks anyway unless they (see j.d., pil) were major pioneers of the genre and the reason those so-called journalists had to coin the terms
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Old 12-10-2014, 04:35 AM   #218
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elph is so committed to labels that he has zero punk credibility but he's tryin so hard to get it

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 04:39 AM   #219
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pre-homeless post-punk retro-jeans

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 04:47 AM   #220
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i bet they're skinny

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 04:47 AM   #221
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i never thought there would be a kid so confused to think post punk was a culture.

way to go, 2000s

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 04:58 AM   #222
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at times Depeche Mode were a really good band, seriously
Is this a controversial opinion

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 05:02 AM   #223
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I've always just thought of bands like the cramps and gang of four as being punk bands

 
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Is this a controversial opinion
why do you ask that?

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 05:06 AM   #225
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oh i know, because you put the qualifier seriously at the end of it like it needs to be justified

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 07:05 AM   #226
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i saw depeche mode 3 times last year

so good

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 08:44 AM   #227
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It's so funny seeing Elphenor talk about this stuff as though he has authoritative knowledge on all of this shit, coming up with more ways of showing that he has no idea what he is talking about.

Thread has shifted from third tier CW thread to second tier Elph thread

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 10:12 AM   #228
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why do you ask that?
Just what trotsky said. DM are legends in my book

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 11:21 AM   #229
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In mine too.

Once Vince Clark let and Gore found his footing, so to speak, as songwriter their output is terrific. From Some Great Reward on to Violator (some would say Songs of faith but while i do like some songs, like i feel you, i never could get into it much) they were nearly untouchable, at least in the genre.

And i love the visual aesthetics they had in those years, which was in big part due to Corbjin doing all their videos (who is really looking back probably in good part responsible for black and white being so big in early 90s videos) but i also like the artwork of the records. They understood image, like most legendary band.

Someone gave me a tape of Violator in 1990 and that was back when i was 12 and still listening to awful late 80s pop and rap and hip hop (i mean like Mc hammer...) and i was really drawn to it. It was pop but it seemed to have an edge. They seemed almost mysterious to me and...more grown up i guess. I'd seen their videos (Personal jesus, Enjoy the silence, Policy of truth) and was kinda fascinated by the gritty black and white world they seemed to be living in. I guess in a way it marked my turn towards less vapid music. Even if its not like Dm's lyrics are so profound or anything (though its true that you'll see your problems multiply if you continually decide to faithfully pursue the policy of truth) but i couldn't understand all of it then anyway as my grasp of english was still limited and i didn't have lyrics sheet. But at least it was more artistic pop and i could recognize that. The attitude was different.

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 11:30 AM   #230
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wow, you stop at songs of faith and devotion, lol? their golden age for me is violator to ultra, with playing the angel being a top 5 dm record, easily

black celebration & music for the masses are great but their both pretty much setting up that massive winning streak that makes me think of them as more of a 90s-&-onward group than the "80s band" casual observers try to mark them as

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 11:32 AM   #231
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I'm far from the only one who think of DM as post-punk this is annoying me

It just means they're a Rock Band inspired by punk that makes dance music. It's not some limitation on them.

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 11:35 AM   #232
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I'm far from the only one who think of DM as post-punk this is annoying me

It just means they're a Rock Band inspired by punk that makes dance music.
It's not some limitation on them.
which is exactly why they're not, lol

even new order aren't "post-punk," & they're a fucking direct result of joy division

cure were for about 3 albums or so, no doubt, but that's about it

 
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wow, you stop at songs of faith and devotion, lol? their golden age for me is violator to ultra, with playing the angel being a top 5 dm record, easily

black celebration & music for the masses are great but their both pretty much setting up that massive winning streak that makes me think of them as more of a 90s-&-onward group than the "80s band" casual observers try to mark them as
Yeah i can't really get into most of their post Songs of Faith stuff. I tried to time and time again. Not for me i guess. I am trapped in the 80's. To me the winning streak more specifically is Black Celebration, Music for the Masses and Violator. That's their top 3 records to me with Violator on top.

 
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Both of those bands are Rock bands that make dance music what the fuck

Every Cure album is post-punk

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 11:40 AM   #235
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Yeah i can't really get into most of their post Songs of Faith stuff. I tried to time and time again. Not for me i guess. I am trapped in the 80's. To me the winning streak more specifically is Black Celebration, Music for the Masses and Violator. That's their top 3 records to me with Violator on top.
those are all three great obv (well i never exactly called violator anything less but still) but songs of faith & ultra to me are just like... the rewarding culmination

as well as only when i lose myself, the singles 86>98 single

 
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Both of those bands are Rock bands that make dance music what the fuck

Every Cure album is post-punk
i'd say somethin about how if i got the bands on the phone, they would each quickly tell you how wrong this is but this has got to be a joke by this point

 
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It doesn't matter AT ALL what genre a band thinks they are. That's not how it works

 
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Old 12-10-2014, 12:16 PM   #239
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It doesn't matter AT ALL what genre a band thinks they are. That's not how it works
it's not really about the genre, it's more what you're implying these bands actually do

dm have pretty much maintained from the start that they're an electronic band who fucks with rock instrumentation, not the other way around

it sounds nitpicky, sure, but that kinda thing has a pretty profound impact on a band's sound & even, in a coupla these bands cases, their longevity

as for the cure, slapping an "OK, POST-PUNK" label on everything they did is fucking outrageous, lol. there's a pretty clear change in sound & approach after pornography which was pretty obviously in a large part due to the shifting from post-punk "sensibilities" to more straight-up art pop ones or whatever

and no, i'm not using "art pop" as a genre

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but shit what's it really matter anyway call it acid house if you want, lol

 
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