you know how when you are looking at amatuer porn you are always secretly hoping...

[SuckSuckStyle]

so who likes jacking off?

[redbreegull]

even though you are usually on the correct side of issues, you are just such an awful insufferable childish person you do more damage than good to your causes

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by SuckSuckStyle

so who likes jacking off?

come on dude, this is a feminism/sex thread now so lets get philosophical. i think you have a lot of experience and insight to bring to the table.

[redbreegull]

really, if my greatest sin is seeing girls nude without their knowledge, so be it. I'd rather have it that way than treat everyone like shit because my emotions are a runaway train.

[Trotskilicious]

yeah but he made his case that you're not a feminist. bfd.

[redbreegull]

the thing is that although it is immoral based on the "everyone deserves to know the truth" moral precept, I haven't actually harmed any of these women. Pretty low level of moral deviance... versus bullying someone on a message board who admitted 6 pages ago that he feels bad about his immoral actions.

[redbreegull]

it has nothing to do with feminism, he's already thoroughly embarrassed himself with his double standard based on sex.

[redbreegull]

If I liked men, I would be prone to look at home photos of dicks.

[Trotskilicious]

i dunno we ironed that out i think, he gets really hysterical

liberals WE HAVE TO STOP THE WARS

we can work this shit out without yelling at each other

[redbreegull]

what if I accidentally see a girl nude in real life, in a coming out of the shower scenario or something? by eulogy's logic I am committing an unfeminist sin by thinking of that image when I masturbate later

[Eulogy]

why does he keep saying i embarrassed myself when he's the one admitting to his moral failings?

[redbreegull]

is it a form of debauchery? hmmm, I would say yes. It is. Is it harming her? No.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

by the way is this hard to answer or did you just miss it in your zeal to put down redbreegull

no, i did answer this.

when women want to be where they are, i.e, in porn, or being taped having sex, or masturbating on camera because they want to be doing that, then they aren't being exploited. this isn't difficult.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

why does he keep saying i embarrassed myself when he's the one admitting to his moral failings?

you have a really twisted mind if you think anyone should be embarrassed to admit their shortcomings eulogy.

[Trotskilicious]

i dunno i want my fucking question discussed

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

when women want to be where they are, i.e, in porn, or being taped having sex, or masturbating on camera because they want to be doing that, then they aren't being exploited. this isn't difficult.

sure it is

what if she's doing it not purely but because she wants attention, or she's making her repressive family angry, or she's doing it for cocaine or whatever and how can you tell all of that looking at a picture

[Trotskilicious]

isn't it safer to assume that in general they're doing it because they're generally being exploited by an industry primarily for men and controlled by men?

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

you have a really twisted mind if you think anyone should be embarrassed to admit their shortcomings eulogy.

i was asking why i should be embarrassed

so if you wanted to, hypothetically, bone children, you'd have no reason to be embarrassed?

my real reason for asking that though was to find out why exactly i should be embarrassed for calling you out on your misogyny. still waiting for an answer to that one.

[Trotskilicious]

man i see how annoying eulogy and i used to be

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

no, i did answer this.

when women want to be where they are, i.e, in porn, or being taped having sex, or masturbating on camera because they want to be doing that, then they aren't being exploited. this isn't difficult.

yes, it is actually. you are making a moral issue black and white, when, like all moral issues, it is in fact difficult. What about those casting videos where the girls are clearly unhappy, doing it for the money cause they are broke, etc? The salon article pointed out that not all girls like getting cum on their face, and this is pretty obvious when you watch porn. A lot of the girls do not like it. You think just because someone agreed to tape porn means she isn't being exploited in some way? Very reductive.

[SuckSuckStyle]

i always think its amusing when a porn girl shaves her pubes into the shape of a cross.

[bahnzah]

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[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

isn't it safer to assume that in general they're doing it because they're generally being exploited by an industry primarily for men and controlled by men?

see, i'll admit i have it easier by not having to look at female porn. but as we discussed in an earlier thread (at least i think it was us, it may not have been), there are female-directed porn sites that are very, very, very explicit about being non-exploitative. they exist for people like you and me (if i were straight).

it's not. that. hard. to find.

that is my only point. and rbg is a total shithead for claiming to be some great liberal feminist until his dick gets hard and then it doesn't matter because he acknowledges his failings.

i mean

are you fucking kidding me? what a useless fucking asshole. i don't want him as an example of leftism.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

yes, it is actually. you are making a moral issue black and white, when, like all moral issues, it is in fact difficult. What about those casting videos where the girls are clearly unhappy, doing it for the money cause they are broke, etc? The salon article pointed out that not all girls like getting cum on their face, and this is pretty obvious when you watch porn. A lot of the girls do not like it. You think just because someone agreed to tape porn means she isn't being exploited in some way? Very reductive.

ALL OF THAT IS WRONG

HOLY SHIT

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

i was asking why i should be embarrassed

so if you wanted to, hypothetically, bone children, you'd have no reason to be embarrassed?

my real reason for asking that though was to find out why exactly i should be embarrassed for calling you out on your misogyny. still waiting for an answer to that one.

because you are a bully, eulogy. It's not enough for you to win the argument. You feel the need to hurt your opponent, which is the paragon of an immature rhetorician.

[Eulogy]

you're on the goddamn internet

if you can't find girls who like sex on it then you should probably just shut the fuck up

jesus fucking christ

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

yes, it is actually. you are making a moral issue black and white, when, like all moral issues, it is in fact difficult. What about those casting videos where the girls are clearly unhappy, doing it for the money cause they are broke, etc? The salon article pointed out that not all girls like getting cum on their face, and this is pretty obvious when you watch porn. A lot of the girls do not like it. You think just because someone agreed to tape porn means she isn't being exploited in some way? Very reductive.

i think it's the biggest problem with the way we argue about feminist issues today, it's really good/evil kind of dichotomy in the language used when even people who champion themselves as feminists can't agree on things

and being a prophet of reasonableness and squashing namecalling i understand is pretty rich, but i'm trying these days. i don't really feel i need to hold anything back from condescending libertarians but i even had a discussion with a rather misinformed ron paul cultist the other night and i had him agreeing to socialist statements because of the technique of persuasion that we've collectively lost because the internet is where we go to discuss contentious issues so now we're all really tribal about it

NAH
MEAN
?

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

because you are a bully, eulogy. It's not enough for you to win the argument. You feel the need to hurt your opponent, which is the paragon of an immature rhetorician.

i thought we already established i was smarter than you.

you're a misogynist in the guise of a liberal. you're a slave to your own goddamn erection.

you should feel bad about it.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

that is my only point. and rbg is a total shithead for claiming to be some great liberal feminist until his dick gets hard and then it doesn't matter because he acknowledges his failings.

i mean

are you fucking kidding me? what a useless fucking asshole. i don't want him as an example of leftism.

you don't have a point eulogy, you're just a dickhead who can't calm down

Originally Posted by Eulogy

ALL OF THAT IS WRONG

HOLY SHIT

I really enjoy how you tell me off for not responding to every point in each of your posts, but half your responses are this. Maybe children should get the shit beat out of them once in awhile.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

they exist for people like you and me (if i were straight).

I dunno if I am who you think I am, i'm not kidding: I like fake tits and softcore lesbianism.

Of course the girls I like the most you can totally tell are into it. But still, motivations are kind of nebulous. I just think it's safer to say that pornography is exploitative and generally sexist but not necessarily misogynist.