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02-21-2007, 02:18 PM | #1 |
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First presidential debate today at 3:00pm ET / noon PT
Democratic Presidential Candidates Visit Nevada Today
Feb 21, 2007 http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=6108828 Several democratic presidential candidates flock to Carson City today to take part in the nation's first Democratic Presidential Forum. The candidates that will appear ******* Senator Joe Biden, Senator Hillary Clinton, Senator Chris Dodd, former Senator John Edwards, former Senator Mike Gravel, Representative Dennis Kucinich, Governor Bill Richardson and Governor Tom Vilsack. The forum will focus on issues that affect working families and is sponsored by the AFSCME, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Union. The Democratic Presidential Forum will be streamed live on www.LasVegasNOW.com starting at noon today. You can also watch the event in Las Vegas One, channel 19 starting at noon. |
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02-21-2007, 02:24 PM | #2 |
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Obama will NOT be at the debate...
Obama's Nevada Flyover If anyone's keeping score this early, this one beats a verbal gaffe or any blogger brouhaha by a mile, because it's delivered by the candidate himself. Senator Obama, you just might have to kiss those Nevada union votes good-bye. First, before we get started and just to be clear, there's nothing wrong with big Hollywood money. May it fund my radio show someday. But a Nevada flyover to diss union members and miss the first presidential forum of the '08 season? Wow. That takes serious political balls. Here's the deal... Barack Obama may be the media darling right now, but he should be held to the same standards as all the other candidates, especially when it comes to forums that are meant to give primary voters insight into people who want to be president. These forums and the debates that come later are the most democratic part of the presidential primary season. The first presidential forum shouldn't be optional. Mr. Obama should not get a pass because his team says he's too busy or that his schedule couldn't fit it in or whatever is the excuse de jour of the daily campaign grind. As I wrote yesterday, Mr. Obama will be in Las Vegas on Sunday, February 18th. Then I started looking at the rest of his schedule, which piqued my interest. That's when I received an anonymous email that was short and sweet and got to the heart of the issue. "The situation with Obama and Carson City is worse than you note in your post -- he's actually going to be in California the day before the forum for fundraisers with the DreamWorks people, and will be *flying over Nevada* either the night before or the day of the forum. Considering the event takes place at noon, it would take almost no effort to adjust his schedule so he could spend 30 mins. addressing 750 union members." - Anonymous ... http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=25170 |
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02-21-2007, 02:41 PM | #3 |
THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
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how come they hold it during the middle of the day? it seems like a pretty inconvenient time for anyone with a job
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02-21-2007, 03:03 PM | #4 | |
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You can also watch it on C-SPAN and abcnews.go.com. |
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02-21-2007, 03:16 PM | #5 |
THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
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harumph. :/ my vote is worth more than 10 union workers!
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02-21-2007, 03:25 PM | #6 |
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The order of the candidates as determined by lottery...
United States Senator Chris Dodd, D-CT United States Senator Hillary Clinton, D-NY Former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack, D-IA Former United States Senator John Edwards, D-NC New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, D-NM United States Senator Joe Biden, D-DE United States Congressman Dennis Kucinich, D-OH Former United States Senator Mike Gravel, D-AK The format according to ABC News... Each candidate will deliver a two-minute opening statement. Forum moderator George Stephanapolous of ABC News will ask the candidate three questions, one of which will be submitted by an inquisitive AFSCME member. Candidates will have three minutes to respond to each of these questions. The candidate will then have one minute for a closing statement. |
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02-21-2007, 05:06 PM | #7 |
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Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. And Hillary forgot to give her closing statement - she just walked off the stage.
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02-21-2007, 05:21 PM | #8 | |
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02-21-2007, 05:40 PM | #9 |
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What a lame "debate." It was so not-news it's not even a main story on cnn.com or foxnews.com.
*yawn* |
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02-21-2007, 06:00 PM | #10 | |
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02-21-2007, 06:10 PM | #11 |
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Right, it's going on but still to this point nothing earthshattering or even new has been mentioned.
I'm not a big fan of these type of PR events they call debates - it's very mundane and frankly a waste of time. It's like a practice round of speaking with not much to lose. Like you mentioned about Hilary and her lack of closing, it won't matter at all. |
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02-21-2007, 06:19 PM | #12 | |
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02-21-2007, 07:02 PM | #13 |
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I'm already sick of the election. this is ridiculous.
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02-21-2007, 07:41 PM | #14 |
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It is ridiculous Junebug. The election is not for another two years and yet the candidates are already stumping and BlueStar is at an obnoxious level heretofore unseen on this board.
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02-21-2007, 08:31 PM | #15 | |
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Maybe its inaccurate to say that a bunch of candidates having a "debate" in order to obtain special interest support doesn't matter in the scheme of things. It does. But I think its safe to say it shouldn't. |
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02-21-2007, 08:52 PM | #16 |
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Word, son.
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02-21-2007, 09:14 PM | #18 | |
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02-21-2007, 09:29 PM | #20 | |
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Primary voters in the early states don't care one bit about how much money a candidate has, who has endorsed who, or who is ahead in whatever poll. Money doesn't win you votes in the early states. It is the media that gives a shit about money, endorsements, polls, etc., not the voters. The reason the candidates were there today was not for money (though, obviously, the earned media, the ability to reach out to thousands of voters, etc. can in turn bring in money), it was for votes. It wasn't for the endorsement of AFSCME (though, of course, that would be nice and no candidate would turn that down). (However, as evidenced in '04 with Dean, union members do not necessarily vote for the candidate their union has endorsed.) It was because they want to win NV and union members are a crucial voting block in NV (and they are crucial supporters/volunteers in every state). Union members are the type of voters that will give their time. They will pound the pavement, spend hours on end on the phones, etc., etc. - and a campaign cannot get off the ground without those kind of supporters. And that is needed right now. This campaign is off to a ridiculously ealry start. Campaigns shouldn't typically be fully staffed up in Iowa, for example, until June, but they are fully staffed up now already. It is full steam ahead and all the candidates want to hit the ground running in NV (and every other early state). One of the first things you do as a field staffer in any given state for any given campaign is get in touch with the unions and try to get the support of their members because you can't run a campaign without volunteers and union members are the type of active voters that will volunteer their asses off. |
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02-21-2007, 09:36 PM | #22 | |
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02-21-2007, 10:07 PM | #23 | |
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Really. No. Idea. |
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02-21-2007, 10:24 PM | #24 | |
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02-21-2007, 10:29 PM | #25 | |
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Union voters in Nevada and a press conference one year before a primary won't making/breaking any candidate - my initial comment still stands. |
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02-21-2007, 10:34 PM | #26 | |
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And I never said that it would make or break any candidate. What I said is that it matters, particularly when it comes to getting their campaigns up and running in Nevada. |
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02-21-2007, 10:56 PM | #27 |
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I said two of the three, not all three. It's common knowledge I will not post where I have/do work once I left the newspaper world years ago.
Moving back to the subject at hand ... hours after this debate and still no headlines on major news sites. |
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02-21-2007, 11:30 PM | #28 | |
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But, I digress, CNN, et al are still showing articles about the fact that the forum was happening (which, of course, are old now). It was all over the talk shows tonight, though, and was covered on the evening news by all major Nevada tv stations. And I expect that there will be more major news coverage in the morning. But hey, maybe I'm wrong and it will be a non-story, just like that Biden gaffe. Oh wait, the Biden gaffe, despite your calling it a non-story that would get no coverage the next day, was in all the major papers and on all the major news sites the next day (and the day after that too). Last edited by BlueStar : 02-21-2007 at 11:38 PM. |
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