the good, the bad, and the ugly: ON TV

[pavementtune]

Originally Posted by Aeris Hilton

Currently besides Saul and waiting for Mad Men the best bets have been Transparent and Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt

I was nervous about Transparent but it was basically almost perfect and I think the latter is as funny as the highest points of 30 rock

anybody else watching Transparent?

came across it by coincidence and now I want to binge-watch all of it.
Jeffrey Tambor as Maura is so good, role of his life.

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[Eulogy]

Jesus Christ mooney

What the shit

[Mooney]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

Jesus Christ mooney

What the shit

i might be foggy on what's going on plot-wise, but if she is marrying him of her own devices, letting him have sex with her on the wedding night without saying no or telling him to stop isn't rape. what am i missing?

[MyOneAndOnly]

"It's not rape if it's your wife"

[The exploding boy]

it's not rape if you have to ask yourself if it's rape


amirite

[Mooney]

i dunno, to me it seems that in that universe marriage/consummation go hand in hand. so once she choose to marry a psychopath, she knew exactly what to expect on the wedding night (except perhaps having a spectator.) If she changed her mind and conveyed to him she didn't want to consummate, and he continued then that would be rape.

an argument i guess would be that she felt threatened to the point where she feared harm if she refused him. that's rape.

[MyOneAndOnly]

is this guy for realz

[Eulogy]

Mooney I don't have time to teach a remedial class on consent and sex. Perhaps you should look into one...?

If you are having sex with someone and they don't exactly say no, but her body language and whimpering indicate fear and powerlessness and you say "take off your clothes" but then end up forcibly ripping them instead

Then uh. That is obviously rape?

????????

[Mooney]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

Mooney I don't have time to teach a remedial class on consent and sex. Perhaps you should look into one...?

If you are having sex with someone and they don't exactly say no, but her body language and whimpering indicate fear and powerlessness and you say "take off your clothes" but then end up forcibly ripping them instead

Then uh. That is obviously rape?

????????

i didn't think it was rape because i felt she made a choice to go through with it to further her agenda. reluctantly, albeit, but she did start to remove her own clothes before ramsay ripped them off. the crying--but not resisting--during the act said to me that she may be regretting that choice.

...and apparently the writer of the episode comfirms that:

"This isn’t a timid little girl walking into a wedding night with Joffrey. This is a hardened woman making a choice, and she sees this as the way to get back her homeland."

Bryan Cogman

[teh b0lly!!1]

i sincerely hope you're trolling

[Mooney]

but if some guy did that to a woman i know in real life i would want to chops his balls off.

[Mooney]

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

i sincerely hope you're trolling

the writer and producer of the show said she chose to have sex with him.

[Eulogy]

That doesn't negate the fact that it was rape, mooney

What a strange hill to try to die on

[Eulogy]

And you're still conflating the wedding with the sex which is also bizarre.

[Mooney]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

That doesn't negate the fact that it was rape, mooney

how does the fact that the writer said she chose to have sex with him not negate rape?

[killtrocity]

Perhaps the writer doesn't understand rape?

[Eulogy]

He followed that up with

"The choice I was referring to was Sansa's choice to marry Ramsay and walk into that room with him. She feels marrying him is a vital step in reclaiming her Homeland."

As if it matters.

Gotta admit when you're wrong sometimes.

[The exploding boy]

i think it wasn't really rape because it's a tv show.


i've just won this argument.

[Mooney]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

He followed that up with

"The choice I was referring to was Sansa's choice to marry Ramsay and walk into that room with him. She feels marrying him is a vital step in reclaiming her Homeland."

As if it matters.

Gotta admit when you're wrong sometimes.

you admitting you're wrong, or telling me i need to? can't tell.

i'm sure we all agree that it all comes down to consent. the only reason i didn't think it was rape was because i felt the character was choosing to have sex. maybe she wasn't. not really going to argue about the thought process of a fictional character.

[Eulogy]

A woman with a knife to her throat might be choosing to have sex too

It's not consensual sex

[MyOneAndOnly]

teenage girls in arranged/forced marriages can't give consent. it's an even more sever form of statutory rape.

if 14 year old girl 'doesn't say no' to sex with a 30 year old man, is that not rape?

[Mooney]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

teenage girls in arranged/forced marriages can't give consent. it's an even more sever form of statutory rape.

if 14 year old girl 'doesn't say no' to sex with a 30 year old man, is that not rape?

probably not in westeros.

[Mooney]

i'll admit this is absolutely rape in modern america and should be across the entire planet.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

I can understand how casual fans of the TV Series are regularly shocked by what happens. but there's also a lot of fans of the books who entertain fantasies of happy endings for the characters. You'd think they would know better after plowing through thousands of pages of murder and rape. The whole point of Game of Thrones is that there are no happy endings!!!

The John Snow Dany shippers are probably the only IMO that might get their ending. but something tells me it still wouldn't be happy

from what ive seen the ppl who are outraged by sansas rape fall into a few camps and none of them are surprised

1) ppl who feel like rape and brutality are sensational at this point and never have a reason and they just kind of move on. these ppl didnt know what show they were watching

2) ppl who read the books and are thinking sansa is going to be tortured like jeyne poole is in the books thus ruining sansas character

3) ppl who dont watch the show that just have the need to be outraged

4) ppl who feel sansas rape being GoTs jump the shark moment. this season is going backwsrds tbh its really irritating to come this far with sansa, save her from one sadist and give her to another who is probably worse than joffrey really. this kinda ties back into 1 i guess

fans of the book also complain of brutality fatigue by the fourth and fifth books and thats now coming into the tv audience

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Mooney

i dunno, to me it seems that in that universe marriage/consummation go hand in hand. so once she choose to marry a psychopath, she knew exactly what to expect on the wedding night (except perhaps having a spectator.) If she changed her mind and conveyed to him she didn't want to consummate, and he continued then that would be rape.

an argument i guess would be that she felt threatened to the point where she feared harm if she refused him. that's rape.

she didbt choose anything, do you even know what is going on in the show/

[Trotskilicious]

like when has a woman chose who to marry in the history of game of fucking thrones, sansa has been betrothed/married three times already and not one of them was by her own agency. ironically the reason shes now victimized by ramsey is because tyrion DIDNT rape her on their wedding nite which in this setting is when the marriage is consumated and irrevvocable

[Mooney]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

she didbt choose anything, do you even know what is going on in the show/

i was distracted for parts of the last two episodes. i asked for clarification on plot points multiple time and all i got was "OMG ARE YOU FOR REALZ" "uBtrollin" "JESUS CHRIST"

[MyOneAndOnly]

I don't think the show is going downhill at all. The one criticism I have this season is that it at least feels like too many story lines. I would rather have seen them leave out the Jaime Lannister adventure storyline. I get that it's supposed to parallel Brienne's trek to Sansa, but both just feel like too much. I'd rather see them do what they've done with Bran and just leave them out.

If people can watch 5 seasons of Walking Dead I think they can handle GoT brutality.

[Trotskilicious]

i want to see brienne take winterfell by herself and decapitate ramsey, make it aaallll worthwhile

brienne is the bes

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Mooney

i was distracted for parts of the last two episodes. i asked for clarification on plot points multiple time and all i got was "OMG ARE YOU FOR REALZ" "uBtrollin" "JESUS CHRIST"

well like i said already, women in GoT are leverage for politics just like the real middle ages. they have little agency, though through machiavellian manouvering like cersei or margery they can have power

the creator saying she made a choice is full of shit if he expects us to believe that if she put her foot down with littlefinger, hed be like ok cool you dont have to marry ramsey