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02-20-2019, 07:58 PM | #91 |
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No lie, Make Believe had some jams. Perfect Situation, This is Such a Pity... Shame the rest of the thing couldn't live up to those tracks.
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02-20-2019, 08:00 PM | #92 |
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02-21-2019, 12:03 AM | #93 |
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02-21-2019, 01:22 AM | #94 |
Consume my pants.
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02-21-2019, 01:28 AM | #95 | |
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02-21-2019, 08:10 AM | #96 |
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02-21-2019, 08:10 AM | #97 |
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You should know I am an idiot who can't read and/or follow my own train of thoughts. Basically like an illiterate Catherine Wheel.
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02-21-2019, 09:19 AM | #98 |
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so what you're saying is
it looks like a bear? |
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02-21-2019, 09:20 AM | #99 |
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02-22-2019, 08:16 AM | #100 |
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Beautiful. Just beautiful.
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02-22-2019, 10:23 AM | #101 |
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Beautiful? In the Anals of Netphoria Lore, this flowering of the Golden Age of Malora shall be known by one word and one word alone: S E N E S C E N T (!!!).
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02-22-2019, 11:53 AM | #102 |
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(he's right tho, don't you ever get it twisted again) |
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03-05-2019, 12:15 AM | #103 |
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Seems like there are only a few other bonafide Ryan Adams fans on here, but lots of thoughts on this one... so I'll let 'er rip.
I have his whole catalog, and while it's a little hit or miss - when he hits - so good. Have seen him three or four times, and they've ranged from poor to good shows, never great. Never met him, but a while ago, he put something up on Instagram about the release of the album Gold, and he asked people to message him their favorite memories of the album. So, I did - my wife and I had our first dance at our wedding to a song from that album. He replied to my message directly with a very, very kind and heartfelt sentiment. A few weeks ago, before the news of Ryan's behavior broke, my wife and I watched the R. Kelly lifetime documentary. One thing that stood out to me that just blew our minds is how people still supported him through the allegations and the knowledge of what he was doing. Some commentator said something to the effect of 'people have a hard time separating the music from the man, and they want to let the music overshadow any imperfections that the man has. After all, these people danced to his songs at their weddings and sang his songs in church." My wife and I were just bewildered by that with the horrible things that he was doing - the fact that people could still support him and not just drop him like a brick was mindboggling to me. Andddd here we are, weeks later, with a white guy whose music means a ton to me with allegations against him and an expose article derailing his career. Now, we could get into the whole "Ryan Adams is no R. Kelly" topic... which I would wholly echo, as the things Ryan did/allegedly did are of a FAR FAR lower magnitude - but they're still somewhere on that spectrum. So do we sell all of his records and scrap him from our musical lives, or do we just forgive him? Tough stuff. Was reading a Pitchfork article about the fact that his album (which was going to be the first of three to be released in 2019!) was pulled and what it was doing to album sales. Interesting section here: "Judy Mills, owner of Mills Record Company in Kansas City, Missouri, acknowledges that under other circumstances, a big album from someone whose fans are devoted vinyl buyers would have been welcome. “As I was a pulling a Ryan Adams box set off the floor, I also pulled his artist card from the racks, and I thought to myself: What do I do with the other artists out here, filling my sales floor, who are alleged to be sexual molesters, offenders, rapists, misogynists, and plain ol’ assholes?“ Mills adds. “It’s easy to stop stocking those artists going forward, but what about now that I own them?” With Adams and R. Kelly in the news, Mills says it’s easy to choose not to stock them, new or used. “But then John Lennon, Jimmy Page, and Phil Spector, because they’re not in the news, it’s OK to carry them?” she wonders. “Not gonna stock the Beatles? Led Zep?” Jim Novak, a buyer for Minneapolis’ Electric Fetus, echoes that the monetary hit to his store from Adams’ canceled album is fairly small. “The main impact I’ve seen and felt is philosophical,” Novak says. “It’s causing a healthy conversation among our staff and customers: Culturally and personally how do we compartmentalize the art from the artist, if at all?” |
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03-06-2019, 07:06 PM | #104 | |
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I'd love to see it, but I think we're a ways away from one of these guys apologizing and the general public accepting and moving on. |
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03-06-2019, 07:39 PM | #105 |
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apologizing in their art does not seem ideal to me
imagine R. Kelly coming back with a big sappy "I'm Real SORRY" song a couple years from now. i'd rather listen to Trapped in the Closet (the full closet experience) |
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03-06-2019, 08:13 PM | #106 |
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Not apologizing in the art, so to speak, but more like publicly apologizing and adjusting behavior and doing the work to be a better person. That kinda stuff.
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03-06-2019, 08:29 PM | #107 |
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in other words fake pr bullshit that they hire a team of professionals to manage for them
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03-06-2019, 08:29 PM | #108 |
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people don't change: they get worse
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03-06-2019, 08:31 PM | #109 |
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03-06-2019, 08:33 PM | #110 |
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But none of them was able to give even a slightly passable apology. It's just "sorry I got caught" at best.
Or in the case Spacey harming the LGBT community by trying to hide his guilt behind him coming out as gay. Last edited by LaBelle : 03-06-2019 at 08:39 PM. |
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03-06-2019, 08:57 PM | #111 |
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Al Franken genuinely seemed sorry
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03-06-2019, 09:16 PM | #112 |
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Damn, didn't even hear about Al Franken doing anything in the first place.
It's hard to keep up |
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03-06-2019, 10:49 PM | #113 |
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If this is a response to me, then I think you misunderstood or misread what I was saying.
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03-07-2019, 12:36 AM | #114 |
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Woah. That's wild. I know her. She was pretty instrumental in the initial vinyl resurgence in KCMO years ago. Puts on shows. Supports local heavily. Very nice lady.
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03-07-2019, 12:26 PM | #115 |
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I find the whole "but John Lennon/Steven Tyler/Jerry Lee Lewis/Elvis/insert any iconic musician who was abusive and/or dated/married underage girls" extreeeeeemely reductive. The "what R. Kelly did is worse than what Ryan Adams did" argument, while technically true, is also reductive. It's dismissive of what the women and girls went through. Trauma is a personal thing and one person's trauma does not outrank another's.
We get so wrapped up in these men's talents and "legacies" and what it all means when the greater discussion should be about people coming forward about their traumas and how you can teach your sons to not abuse/rape. And to talk openly about the effects of psychological, emotional and verbal abuse. We're seeing a bit of progress in that regard. Oprah interviewed Wade Robson and James Safechuck, the two guys who recounted their molestation from Michael Jackson, as a way to open the wider discussion about childhood sexual abuse. Personally, I was a fan of Adams, I liked his first few records and Whiskeytown, but lost interest eventually. But the revelations were a real gut punch. I knew he struggled with addiction and mental health issues - like I do - but the young women he typically preyed on were about the same age I was when I considered myself a fan. That chilled me to the core. Anyway, nothing but admiration and respect for Mandy Moore, Phoebe Bridgers and everyone else who's come forward to speak up about abuse. |
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03-23-2019, 04:43 AM | #116 |
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I just thought of a mnemonic to remember which Adams is the rapist, and which is the "Summer of '69" guy.
"Ryan Rapist " Now I'll never forget. |
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03-23-2019, 08:35 AM | #117 |
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"mnemonic" is just one of those funny cases where a complete word in the english language got forever and irrevocably ruined by a keanu reeves film
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07-23-2019, 01:25 AM | #118 |
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So I guess he's back now? Will be very interesting to see how this plays out... which I guess you're going to have to click to see on his Instagram page because it wont let me embed for reasons unknown:
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07-24-2019, 07:49 PM | #119 |
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uhhhh
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07-24-2019, 07:58 PM | #120 |
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that was a whole word salad of nothing
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