Garson on joining SP etc

Kahlo · 01-19-2016, 11:40 AM

AllMusic: The majority of your work has been in the jazz and avant-garde world. When a rock artist gets in touch about collaborating, how do you pick and choose which to work with?

Mike Garson: The Billy Corgan one was very interesting, I had heard about the Smashing Pumpkins from my godson, who was 12 or 13, we’re at dinner and he’s talking about this group, the Smashing Pumpkins, and I don’t know what he’s talking about, because I don’t live in the rock world when I’m not recording it or performing it. So he says, “I heard you were with Bowie, but that’s nothing, Billy Corgan is the guy.” So he plants this idea, and next thing I know, I’m on tour with Bowie in Paris. We’re doing a live TV show and there’s a few bands, and one of them is the Smashing Pumpkins. So I go out to the stage area and watch them play and say, “They’re not half-bad." Then Bowie calls me into a meeting with him and Billy Corgan. He says, “I want to introduce you to Billy, we’re having a discussion about god, we want to bring you into this.” This transpires, then as I say goodbye, I say, “It would be nice to work with you sometime.”

Three years pass, and I hear he’s looking for a piano player and is auditioning guys, and I knew some people at Virgin, his record company at the time, so I call them and they talk to him and they report back, “If Mike wants to do it, he doesn’t have to audition, but I didn’t think he’d ever want to play with me.” When I spoke to him on the phone, those were the exact words he repeated, and I said, “I’m not that kind of a musician, but I like your music, and I think we could have fun.” That was it, and we did that whole Adore tour. He must have 180 hours of DAT tapes that he’s never released from that that are amazing.

AllMusic: And you went on to play on the Machina album.

Garson: That was nothing, I finished the Smashing Pumpkins’ last American tour with the original band, the whole American leg, as well as the whole Adore tour, where we used Kenny [Aronoff] on drums and we had two other percussionists, and it was an amazing tour, but it was more of his own thing, it was when that rough period happened with Jimmy [Chamberlin] and the piano player [Jonathan Melvoin] and the heroin and all that. So had to move away from that and put a whole thing together, so I did that tour, and a few years later, he called for the last tour of the Pumpkins, and I did America with them. Then I also did the [score for] the movie Stigmata with him.

http://www.allmusic.com/blog/post/mike-garson

Gooch · 01-19-2016, 12:17 PM

thanks for posting this.

Quote:

He must have 180 hours of DAT tapes that he’s never released from that that are amazing.

*crosses fingers this will come out with the Adore Reissue. Oh wait . . . fuck.

Gooch · 01-19-2016, 12:19 PM

Its bullshit, though, because WTF is Mr Bill holding on to these tapes for? No one barely gives a fuck now. No one will in 10 years. It would renew some interest in SP. Its a good marketing move to sell more records/promote da band... Promote hype in the new stuff that is (never) coming out.

Kahlo · 01-19-2016, 12:28 PM

something something dynamic business model...something something record industry

T&T · 01-19-2016, 12:36 PM

his voice isn't loud enough in the mix, so he won't release it.

yeah, I know it's multi-tracked. but the live vocals have tons of bleed from everything else.

FoolofaTook · 01-19-2016, 03:18 PM

Then Bowie calls me into a meeting with him and Billy Corgan. He says, “I want to introduce you to Billy, we’re having a discussion about GOD, we want to bring you into this.” This transpires, then as I say goodbye, I say, “It would be nice to work with you sometime.”

FoolofaTook · 01-19-2016, 03:19 PM

lol god lol

cork_soaker · 01-19-2016, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kahlo

something something dynamic business model...something something record industry

THE MODERN FAN

AT THE END OF THE DAY

TEA

FoolofaTook · 01-19-2016, 04:22 PM

is this that doofus who looked like a deranged wino and would routinely ruin Tear with godawful noodling intros

Ram27 · 01-19-2016, 04:59 PM

Quote:

He must have 180 hours of DAT tapes that he’s never released from that that are amazing.

Fuckin hate you Bill. throw that shit up on sp.com and let us obsessed freaks catalog and mix it

amoergosum · 01-19-2016, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ram27

Fuckin hate you Bill. throw that shit up on sp.com and let us obsessed freaks catalog and mix it

Ram27 · 06:12 PM

>I think the first thing you have to do is sorta target what kind of audience you're trying to reach

Fuck me.
I think everyone would rather hear him sing Muzzle with half-assed lyrics and a different arrangement than a premaster of Fuck You that's essentially identical to the studio version. Well, his track selection is shit, we already knew that.

That was a cool interview though.

____________________________

My counterpoint to this is splra.org. People want to hear that stuff, people are willing to put in the time to catalog it. Imagine that site if we got official SBDs of everything Double Door-now. Obviously some of the studio rehearsal can be boring, but live shows are something different entirely. People paid to see those shows. It was meant for public consumption. I know the band put money into preserving the archives, but even if you pay $1 for 'everything', that's a better ROI than letting it sit there longer and longer and no one paying anything for it.

A lot of the issues he was talking about only exist with the studio stuff. With concerts, it's pretty simple. They played x songs on y date.

What really bugs me is people deciding whether or not I want to hear something. Maybe this is sort of a 'millennial' value but nowadays, information is so easy to access that the idea of artificial restriction seems terrible.

Cool As Ice Cream · 01-19-2016, 06:10 PM

ur pretty well catalogued

Ram27 · 01-19-2016, 06:14 PM

Yeah I don't really give a shit about the Adore era. Most of what I'm disappointed about is the Mellon Collie tour (pre-murder), and the Arising shows

Like, Corgan said that MTV lost the full proshot tapes of the Brixton show, so that's why the whole thing wasn't on the reissue. But you have the whole show's audio in your archives you paid 400k to maintain!

East Rocket · 01-20-2016, 12:24 AM

Thanks for posting.

bye june · 01-20-2016, 10:30 AM

I was just listening to Aladdin Sane and remembered how annoying his playing can be.

Kahlo · 01-21-2016, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bye june

I was just listening to Aladdin Sane and remembered how annoying his playing can be.

Bowie liked it. This makes you wrong.

Cool As Ice Cream · 01-21-2016, 09:39 AM

Q.E.D.

TuralyonW3 · 01-21-2016, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by East Rocket

Thanks for posting.

Skradgee · 01-22-2016, 01:50 AM

Good read. I'd kind of forgotten about the Stigmata contribution.

houseofglass11 · 01-22-2016, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kahlo

Bowie liked it. This makes you wrong.

No he's right, Alladin Sane would be much better if Garson wasn't noodling all over the place. Bowie also put out like 5 shit albums in a row throughout the 80's/early 90's so it's not like his opinion was infallible.

Kahlo · 01-22-2016, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by houseofglass11

No he's right, Alladin Sane would be much better if Garson wasn't noodling all over the place. Bowie also put out like 5 shit albums in a row throughout the 80's/early 90's so it's not like his opinion was infallible.

What, you didn't like Tin Machine?

teh b0lly!!1 · 01-22-2016, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FoolofaTook

is this that doofus who looked like a deranged wino and would routinely ruin Tear with godawful noodling intros

yep, that's the guy. he's such a cunt i wouldn't even bang him mom.

Cool As Ice Cream · 01-22-2016, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kahlo

What, you didn't like Tin Machine?

or outside?

Kahlo · 01-22-2016, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

he's such a cunt i wouldn't even bang him mom.

Foolofatook is your mother?

I suppose you are retarded enough for that to be the case.

Kahlo · 01-22-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

or outside?

only cunts hate outside.

crabshack · 01-22-2016, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kahlo

only cunts hate outside.

Or Garson

FoolofaTook · 01-22-2016, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

yep, that's the guy. he's such a cunt i wouldn't even bang him mom.

son, please. watch your language when you speak to your mother.

crabshack · 01-22-2016, 06:58 PM

Go listen to Boris.

Cool As Ice Cream · 01-23-2016, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by crabshack

Go listen to Boris.

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http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/a...s_1565799a.jpg

01-19-2016, 11:40 AM	#1
Kahlo Registered User Posts: 17,539	Garson on joining SP etc AllMusic: The majority of your work has been in the jazz and avant-garde world. When a rock artist gets in touch about collaborating, how do you pick and choose which to work with? Mike Garson: The Billy Corgan one was very interesting, I had heard about the Smashing Pumpkins from my godson, who was 12 or 13, we’re at dinner and he’s talking about this group, the Smashing Pumpkins, and I don’t know what he’s talking about, because I don’t live in the rock world when I’m not recording it or performing it. So he says, “I heard you were with Bowie, but that’s nothing, Billy Corgan is the guy.” So he plants this idea, and next thing I know, I’m on tour with Bowie in Paris. We’re doing a live TV show and there’s a few bands, and one of them is the Smashing Pumpkins. So I go out to the stage area and watch them play and say, “They’re not half-bad." Then Bowie calls me into a meeting with him and Billy Corgan. He says, “I want to introduce you to Billy, we’re having a discussion about god, we want to bring you into this.” This transpires, then as I say goodbye, I say, “It would be nice to work with you sometime.” Three years pass, and I hear he’s looking for a piano player and is auditioning guys, and I knew some people at Virgin, his record company at the time, so I call them and they talk to him and they report back, “If Mike wants to do it, he doesn’t have to audition, but I didn’t think he’d ever want to play with me.” When I spoke to him on the phone, those were the exact words he repeated, and I said, “I’m not that kind of a musician, but I like your music, and I think we could have fun.” That was it, and we did that whole Adore tour. He must have 180 hours of DAT tapes that he’s never released from that that are amazing. AllMusic: And you went on to play on the Machina album. Garson: That was nothing, I finished the Smashing Pumpkins’ last American tour with the original band, the whole American leg, as well as the whole Adore tour, where we used Kenny [Aronoff] on drums and we had two other percussionists, and it was an amazing tour, but it was more of his own thing, it was when that rough period happened with Jimmy [Chamberlin] and the piano player [Jonathan Melvoin] and the heroin and all that. So had to move away from that and put a whole thing together, so I did that tour, and a few years later, he called for the last tour of the Pumpkins, and I did America with them. Then I also did the [score for] the movie Stigmata with him. http://www.allmusic.com/blog/post/mike-garson

01-19-2016, 05:36 PM	#12
Ram27 dumb Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds Posts: 11,367	>I think the first thing you have to do is sorta target what kind of audience you're trying to reach Fuck me. I think everyone would rather hear him sing Muzzle with half-assed lyrics and a different arrangement than a premaster of Fuck You that's essentially identical to the studio version. Well, his track selection is shit, we already knew that. That was a cool interview though. ____________________________ My counterpoint to this is splra.org. People want to hear that stuff, people are willing to put in the time to catalog it. Imagine that site if we got official SBDs of everything Double Door-now. Obviously some of the studio rehearsal can be boring, but live shows are something different entirely. People paid to see those shows. It was meant for public consumption. I know the band put money into preserving the archives, but even if you pay $1 for 'everything', that's a better ROI than letting it sit there longer and longer and no one paying anything for it. A lot of the issues he was talking about only exist with the studio stuff. With concerts, it's pretty simple. They played x songs on y date. What really bugs me is people deciding whether or not I want to hear something. Maybe this is sort of a 'millennial' value but nowadays, information is so easy to access that the idea of artificial restriction seems terrible. Last edited by Ram27 : 01-19-2016 at 06:12 PM.

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01-19-2016, 12:19 PM	#3
Gooch Apocalyptic Poster Location: Pancakes in my area Posts: 1,553	Its bullshit, though, because WTF is Mr Bill holding on to these tapes for? No one barely gives a fuck now. No one will in 10 years. It would renew some interest in SP. Its a good marketing move to sell more records/promote da band... Promote hype in the new stuff that is (never) coming out.

01-19-2016, 12:28 PM	#4
Kahlo Registered User Posts: 17,539	something something dynamic business model...something something record industry

01-19-2016, 12:36 PM	#5
T&T Socialphobic Location: montreal Posts: 11,677	his voice isn't loud enough in the mix, so he won't release it. yeah, I know it's multi-tracked. but the live vocals have tons of bleed from everything else.

01-19-2016, 03:18 PM	#6
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	Then Bowie calls me into a meeting with him and Billy Corgan. He says, “I want to introduce you to Billy, we’re having a discussion about GOD, we want to bring you into this.” This transpires, then as I say goodbye, I say, “It would be nice to work with you sometime.”

01-19-2016, 03:19 PM	#7
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	lol god lol

01-19-2016, 04:22 PM	#9
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	is this that doofus who looked like a deranged wino and would routinely ruin Tear with godawful noodling intros

01-19-2016, 06:10 PM	#13
Cool As Ice Cream Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 32,743	ur pretty well catalogued

01-19-2016, 06:14 PM	#14
Ram27 dumb Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds Posts: 11,367	Yeah I don't really give a shit about the Adore era. Most of what I'm disappointed about is the Mellon Collie tour (pre-murder), and the Arising shows Like, Corgan said that MTV lost the full proshot tapes of the Brixton show, so that's why the whole thing wasn't on the reissue. But you have the whole show's audio in your archives you paid 400k to maintain!

01-20-2016, 12:24 AM	#15
East Rocket Ownz Location: Denton Texas Posts: 922	Thanks for posting.

01-20-2016, 10:30 AM	#16
bye june Ownz Location: Sadlands Posts: 930	I was just listening to Aladdin Sane and remembered how annoying his playing can be.

01-21-2016, 09:39 AM	#18
Cool As Ice Cream Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 32,743	Q.E.D.

01-22-2016, 01:50 AM	#20
Skradgee Boardcaster Location: reporting live Posts: 3,854	Good read. I'd kind of forgotten about the Stigmata contribution.

01-22-2016, 06:58 PM	#29
crabshack Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,173	Go listen to Boris.