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[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by toase

Well, science is not a byproduct of capitalism

And you might be correct about being peaceful, but I'm not sure
I live in Brazil, we don't go to war (usually), but our society is still very violent, more than the US

I would say nothing develops in a vacuum, and the development of modern science is inexplicably linked to other social changes such as the rise of the mercantile class, increased literacy, and the beginning of democratic secular societies

crime was almost universally much higher in the past. I know Brazil is dangerous for sure, but overall, most of the world has a lot less crime than in previous ages. The last few decades have seen a major decline in interstate warfare, and democracies seldomly go to war with each other at all. Civil political violence has increased, but there is still less violence than at any point in the past when you consider the entire world

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by toase

Well, science is not a byproduct of capitalism

its weird how much credit people just give to capitalism, like how disco king said that thing about 'standard of living has improved' well first standard of living improved from babylon to 14th century spain second tho like there's definitely a point where capitalism takes the concept of "high standard of living" past the point of parody

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

overall, most of the world has a lot less crime than in previous ages.

impossible to quantify

The last few decades have seen a major decline in interstate warfare, and democracies seldomly go to war with each other at all.

i know liberal democrats say this all the time and i'm still not impressed or even buying it

tell me the one about mcdonalds

Civil political violence has increased, but there is still less violence than at any point in the past when you consider the entire world

there's lots of violence all the time, you just only define violence through guns and weapons and wars

[redbreegull]

BBC – Why the present day could be the best time to be alive

[Trotskilicious]

did piers morgan write that or

[Trotskilicious]

i don't think you realize quite how much contempt i have for this kind of reliably self serving comparative history. i mean that article has been written every week since 1945

[redbreegull]

NYT – Historical Study of Homicide and Cities Surprises the Experts

The numbers are in and even experts who study violence are surprised: Cities have not always been meccas for murder, and this is not the first heyday for homicides.

Historians now say that homicide rates were extraordinarily high in Europe during the Middle Ages -- and high in the United States during the early 19th century -- then declined steadily until the 1960's.

from 94

[redbreegull]

nah man there is enormous evidence that things like war and crime are down and have continued to go down over most of history. we know for certain things like the homicide rate in 17th century colonial America was insanely high compared to today

[redbreegull]

I think it's correct that it's not a function of capitalism exactly, capitalism is just one wheel in the machine which is the modern world. but it is all intertwined

[ohnoitsbonnie]

A function is an equation that takes in a variable and chews it up and spits it out

[Trotskilicious]

rbg i just want you to know that you're telling a marxist that there's more to it than "just" the economic system

[redbreegull]

function

noun

1. the kind of action or activity proper to a person, thing, or institution; the purpose for which something is designed or exists; role.
2. any ceremonious public or social gathering or occasion.
3. a factor related to or dependent upon other factors:


"function". Dictionary.com Unabridged. Random House, Inc. 21 Mar. 2017.

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

There's all sorts of illegal stuff they get away with

Because of the "keep it in the family" type mentality plus it's all at will so you better never make a mistake EVER from the moment you report something

I complain about the eye wash station in receiving (right by fertilizer and pool chemicals) at Home Depot being always blocked by stuff and I'm the only seasonal employee not kept even though I got so much praise from customers because the only part of the job I enjoyed was helping them with garden problems

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

function

noun

1. the kind of action or activity proper to a person, thing, or institution; the purpose for which something is designed or exists; role.
2. any ceremonious public or social gathering or occasion.
3. a factor related to or dependent upon other factors:


"function". Dictionary.com Unabridged. Random House, Inc. 21 Mar. 2017.

Im not critiquing the use of the word I'm just tired n thinking of stuff

[ohnoitsbonnie]

I don't want to sleep.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

rbg i just want you to know that you're telling a marxist that there's more to it than "just" the economic system

sadly I grew apart from marxism. it's just another theory, another ideology. It is pretty true in many ways, but I don't see it as gospel anymore. I don't think any one belief system or any one lens can produce the answer for everything.

[Trotskilicious]

i never see anything as gospel, but i do think that economic system is the base of society & fuck capitalism

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i never see anything as gospel, but i do think that economic system is the base of society & fuck capitalism

I don't disagree, essentially everything at least begins as economic.

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by ohnoitsbonnie

A function is an equation that takes in a variable and chews it up and spits it out

I think that the reason we call some equations "functions" is that the y variable is dependent on, or a "function of," the x variable.

With functions, you cannot have more than one y value for a given x value (a circle or undefined slope are not functions, for instance), so if you know the x value, there is only one value the y can take. So, in a way, the y value is "caused" by the x value.

[ohnoitsbonnie]

I like functions

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I don't disagree, essentially everything at least begins as economic.

DARMOK AND JILAD

AT TANAGRA

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by ohnoitsbonnie

I like functions

Me 2. Sometimes when I'm bored, I graph 3D functions in Google to see what kinds of shapes they make and how changing the parameters affects shit.

Makes me wish I knew shit about how maths.

[redbreegull]

you know why alcohol feels so good

because you know you're slowly killing yourself

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Originally Posted by Disco King

Me 2. Sometimes when I'm bored, I graph 3D functions in Google to see what kinds of shapes they make and how changing the parameters affects shit.

Makes me wish I knew shit about how maths.

I can't wait till fuzzy calls you a nerd and loser for this

[reprise85]

trots in an honors critical questions class we are reading this book called The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined and there is a lot of compelling evidence that violent crime is much lower than it's been at any time in history, and that two democratic societies almost never go to war with each other. So, this includes day to day personal violent crimes (one to one crime) and what he calls feuds with under 1000 deaths and then wars which are above 1000 deaths. Even taking into account the world wars and various genocides, the 1900s appears to have been the most peaceful time in history on the basis of how likely you are to die because of violence (and as a byproduct, such as starvation due to war).

Now this doesn't taking into account things like considering locking someone up for stupid amounts of time on drug charges as a violent act and I would consider it to be one. But it is likely that you're much less likely to die from violence than you've ever been

[redbreegull]

I certainly would not want to live in any other age. We have it pretty good here. Even the majority of poor people in the world are living better now than they were in the past. Though wealth has re-stratified in the West over the last few decades, global poverty is actually plummeting

[LaBelle]

Unless you live in Brazil.
We're expected to have 3,6 million newly impoverished this year.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by reprise85

trots in an honors critical questions class we are reading this book called The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined and there is a lot of compelling evidence that violent crime is much lower than it's been at any time in history, and that two democratic societies almost never go to war with each other. So, this includes day to day personal violent crimes (one to one crime) and what he calls feuds with under 1000 deaths and then wars which are above 1000 deaths. Even taking into account the world wars and various genocides, the 1900s appears to have been the most peaceful time in history on the basis of how likely you are to die because of violence (and as a byproduct, such as starvation due to war).

this is liberal capitalist dogshit

[Trotskilicious]

any person that maintains the 20th century was the most peaceful time in history should probably be taken back in time and put in a Ustase concentration camp just to see how peaceful it was

[Trotskilicious]

besides the fact that the reason there were "less wars" (after 1945 at least) is because the american imperialist hegemony policed the world with the most absurd military that the world has ever seen backed by nuclear missiles

i mean before long you're going to be quoting "the end of history" at me