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Old 02-19-2018, 09:27 PM   #31
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It was a travesty that 'Waiting' wasn't on the album. 'Once In A While' would've been a good addition too. Both songs much better than 'Annie Dog'.

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:41 PM   #32
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Goshdarnit I forgot crestfallen. Waiting and shame are good too.

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:51 PM   #33
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Still my favorite album of all time.
Sometimes I forget that BC actually wrote good music 20+ years ago.

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:19 PM   #34
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:38 PM   #35
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Listening to the deluxe tracks now. The Blank Page (early version) is quite lovely

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:55 PM   #36
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It was a travesty that 'Waiting' wasn't on the album. 'Once In A While' would've been a good addition too. Both songs much better than 'Annie Dog'.
I think Waiting is the single best SP rarity, but come on, it doesn't fit the album at all. It actually sounds more like a Machina song than an Adore song.

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:01 PM   #37
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Adore to me is the moment when Billy officially loses his mind and stops being humble and scared of failure enough to let others reel in his artistic and egotistical excesses. For one thing, he eschews having a strong and musically astute producer and tries to produce the whole thing on his own, eventually hiring a few different producers but never really settling on one person or one vision. I'd say this was a huge fuck up because Butch and Flood are musical geniuses as well as brilliant band psychologists. Without their mediating influence, Billy is toast.

It has some very interesting songs and shows Billy really honing his craft. But ultimately any musical merits to be found on the record are spoiled by the harshly self conscious sounding overwrought production of the whole thing. Much like Machina 1, the album just sounds harshly and excruciatingly measured, like every bar was obsessed over...and not in a good, Steely Dan, sort of way....more like in an oppressive and suffocating "Billy is a neurotic control freak" way. I consider the album a modest success but mostly a failure. Much like Dylan from the 70s-90s, Billy from 1998-present often comes tantalizing close to recapturing his former glory (especially his b sides and demos) but he never QUITE pulls it off. His best efforts from Adore and onward are like dead middle strikes that inexplicably go wide at the last second. Oh well. I still give him credit for trying...and I don't mean that sarcastically.

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:13 PM   #38
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To me, Adore is the only album on which breaking the "formula" worked

and it's the best SP album

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:27 PM   #39
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it's not even in the top 3

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:30 PM   #40
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Billy from 1998-present often comes tantalizing close to recapturing his former glory (especially his b sides and demos) but he never QUITE pulls it off.
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:40 PM   #41
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and it's the best SP album
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:10 AM   #42
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very much echoing everyone who said adore would be amazing if it was just a stripped down acoustic record, a la to sheila, nightmare, annie-dog, etc. would've been a natural step after the bombast of MCIS

definitely a turning point for billy. maybe all the molly just killed his brain

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Old 02-20-2018, 12:21 AM   #43
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Yah.

Pills + b0lly = lame electronic music (adore)
Meth + b0lly = lame metal (machina)

Should of stuck to shrooms and hash bon bons (gish, sd, pisces, mcis)

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:21 AM   #44
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It's that simple folks!

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:41 AM   #45
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oh ok so this is an Adore hate thread and rbg and i are the only righteous men left in sodom

it's cool i just didn't get the memo

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:44 AM   #46
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like, i get that people have opinions and stuff, but posts like this are just saddening, considering the depth and level of songwriting featured on Adore.

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it's not even in the top 3
say what you will about its shortcomings, but this is just wrong

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:54 AM   #47
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omg guise let's rate all the albums

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 01:05 AM   #48
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teargarden by kleidoscope > oceania > sd > mcis > nevermind > mike byrne > jc

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 01:13 AM   #49
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Circus>Cutterpillow>Sticker Happy>Natin99>Ultraelectromagneticpop>Carbon Steroxide

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 01:37 AM   #50
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It's pretty goddamned great and I still think the Judas O version of Saturnine kicks ass all these years later. Could have been a great Ava Adore B-side (not to shit on Czarina, but I'd have swapped it).

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 10:12 AM   #51
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say what you will about its shortcomings, but this is just wrong
I like the sound of the original 4 playing together more than I like slightly better lyrics. Adore does have a few good songs but it has more duds than anything preceding it. I also prefer drums in my music. And fuzz. And at least some semblance of fortitude, I'm not a saddo.

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 10:24 AM   #52
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i was digging the sad vibes a ton when i first got depressed

i will always hate drum machines over live drums though

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 01:52 PM   #53
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while i do love the album, i remember the distinct gut-sinking sensation upon hearing the drum/space bass pulse at the start of ava adore

yuck-oh

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:01 PM   #54
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also never have been able to warm up to the "sh-sh-sh-sh-sh-shame" line

the rest of the lyrics are dumb -- obvious rhymes and superficial poetry -- but, within the context of the band narrative, the album's mood and imagery, the forlorn riff, they are all the more impactful for it

neat-oh

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:09 PM   #55
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To Sheila
Czarina
Blissed and Gone
Dusty
For Martha
Once In a While
Nitemare
LMGTWTY
Blank Page

this album would of pwned. instead...
To Sheila
Perfect
Ava Adore
Daphne Descends
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:16 PM   #56
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To me, Adore is the only album on which breaking the "formula" worked

and it's the best SP album
it is a stunning accomplishment

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:18 PM   #57
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intro crickets and nylon arpeggios of to sheila still send me easily into reverie, though i'll admit that much of the why is built from pure nostalgia.

beautiful untethered lyricism here in the verses, though, like the aforementioned "shame," the chorus has always felt a tad forced to me. "you make me real /strong as i feel" ... i get it, but still:

oh-noh

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:20 PM   #58
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blank page is top-tier because of the way that it is

 
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:30 PM   #59
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I fell in love with adore. It grew and grew.

This tracklist would ve been great too:
To sheila
Ava adore
Perfect
One upon a time
Crestfallen
Once in a while
For martha
Dusty
Annie dog
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:36 PM   #60
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How can you leave off Daphne Descends.

 
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