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Old 02-28-2018, 10:34 AM   #1081
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I was wondering, would it be possible to do that by crowndfounders?
no
if the label owns the masters and they don't want to do anything with what they own... that's their business.

Best case billy pays all the costs to realize his re-imagined machina and someone 'leaks' the material.. "oops"
but billy wants $$$, so he won't do that.

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:41 AM   #1082
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I was wondering, would it be possible to do that by crowndfounders?
Do what exactly?

- Corgan reacquired the rights to the whole catalog.
- He then contracted EMI to distribute the whole remaster campaign.
- EMI was acquired by Universal Music Group, which included that deal
- UMG, while now contractually obligated to release it, put it on the back burner, probably because they don't care about it

If Corgan released it, he could be in violation of the contract he signed to EMI, which was acquired by UMG

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:42 AM   #1083
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No way he refuses to get paid the second time. Always found the label holdup with Machina reissue incredibly ironic.

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:45 AM   #1084
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Maybe he should just press rough mixes of the whole thing to 25 vinyl copies and just give them to a select few with instructions to leak them

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:54 AM   #1085
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I mean, the label probably doesn't want to deal with it cause they don't believe it's financially good. If they had some kind of figure beforehand...

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 11:23 AM   #1086
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This is disappointing. It must also be very sad for any artist to not even own your own recordings.

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 12:17 PM   #1087
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Fucking christ shit jesus

Nice to get an update about it though.

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 12:34 PM   #1088
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It's never going to come out, not only do they not think it will sell but also Corgan wants to endlessly tinker around with it in the studio which I'm sure would be then charged to the label. It's not a straightforward reissue at all.

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 12:43 PM   #1089
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Yep, he'll want a fancy box set, with a lot of pricey remixing/remastering. The label will lose money for sure. They'd be lucky to sell 50k copies.

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:50 PM   #1090
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:04 PM   #1091
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Was Pale Scales ever recorded in studio? Or just a live track

if so i want it on the reissue that will never happen

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:29 PM   #1092
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Pale Scales plays over one of the DVD menus on the Greatest Hits DVD. Sounds like a studio recording to me.

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 03:33 PM   #1093
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HBD, Machina

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 03:44 PM   #1094
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Someone started a petition, in case you guys want to sign it:

https://www.change.org/p/make-this-p...-album-machina

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 03:47 PM   #1095
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Millions of people come to Change.org to start and sign petitions that boldly call for social change. Become a member today and fuel our mission to empower EVERYONE to create the kind of change they want to see.

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 03:58 PM   #1096
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simply love feeling empowered and creating change

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 04:56 PM   #1097
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so if I understand, they are contractually obliged to release it (as they bought EMI's contract) but there apparently is no time frame, so they may never technically release it (maybe 1000 years from now). right?

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:05 PM   #1098
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that smells about right

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:08 PM   #1099
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As far as I remember, Billy had to negotiate every reissue individually and then EMI was bought over before they signed anything for Machina.

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:13 PM   #1100
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williampcorganMACHINA/pt 1/The Machines of God 'turns' 18 today (Feb 28/2000). It's nice to see where so many younger fans have found and resonated with this work, which despite being often misunderstood or disregarded has seen a sort of restoration with time. On the question of when a reissue would be made available (reuniting pts 1 + 2 with a copious amount of additional work), the legal squabble with our inherited label continues (meaning they purchased our catalog from Gish to Machina from old masters EMI and take scant possession of the legacy, much less any present or future plans to promote said work). Which is a curious thing...
That said, I have made overtures to purchase the catalog by putting together a group of investors; only to be rebuffed, because 'it's too valuable to be sold.'
this is why i hate this fucking guy now

"i'm misunderstood", "i'm ahead of my time", "my work is too valuable"

fuck off

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:35 PM   #1101
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The label wont sell because they think the catalogue is too valuable, yet they aren't doing anything to actively earn money off of it. Strange business model.

And this thread has more than 3/4 of a million views to date. THAT should tell you something in terms of interest in a Machina reissue.

 
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Old 02-28-2018, 07:33 PM   #1102
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I mean let's be real, I think most of us here would take the Machina reissue over the tour right? I doubt that extends beyond Netphoria but fuck me man, I just want the reissue so I can go home.

 
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Old 03-01-2018, 07:28 AM   #1103
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I just want the reissue so I can go home.
and that's what the label knows and that's why they don't want to put money into closing the door.

 
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Old 03-01-2018, 08:19 AM   #1104
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It's never going to come out, not only do they not think it will sell but also Corgan wants to endlessly tinker around with it in the studio which I'm sure would be then charged to the label. It's not a straightforward reissue at all.
This sums it up. I feel like the label might possibly be more interested if Corgan approached this like the previous reissues: compile a disc or two of additional tracks and a DVD of the Final Metro Show and/or an Arising show. Hell, this would satisfy fans who want this reissue to happen. Instead, it seems like Corgan wants to spend a lot of time re-recording and tinkering with an album that already has a VERY limited fan base as it is.

 
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Old 03-01-2018, 08:39 AM   #1105
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Arising tour, please!

It makes much more sense. Jimmy was back, Darcy was still there, last time we saw the original 4 together, Machina songs before they got overproduced, full of energy!

I mean, even though the last show dvd lost a little bit of its meaning now, it is still valuable enough to get its own release.

 
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Old 03-01-2018, 06:28 PM   #1106
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WARNING! Some more bullshit incoming.

Here's my aforementioned specific plot points of the narrative, organized by the "chapter" of the chart, with what songs I felt they described. Obviously interpretations will very, and one could probably break down the plot points further.

OPENING
Glass Theme
somewhere in the not so distant future, we may find a world of not so subtle torments...for amidst the rubble of urban decay and barren wastelands find wander a billion shattered souls...disconnected from themselves by impersonal technologies and personal cause...one such soul is the center of our story, and his name is GLASS...he is the lead singer of THE MACHINES OF GOD, and he believes that GOD itself has asked him to try to change the world...this poses two simple questions: "what is important in a place such as this?" and "is GLASS a prophet sage or just someone who has gone quite mad indeed?!... but first we must go back into the decadent swirl of the past to set the stage for what is to come...
Cash Car Star
you see, GLASS used to be named zero, and the band the smashing pumpkins, at least until zero convinced the band to change the name of the group...they were the biggest band in the world, so this was a very courageous move to make...


TRUNCATED!!!!!!!!!!!!

man are you for real? 18 years after the fact you are still banging your head against a wall trying to make this work?

 
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Old 03-01-2018, 06:57 PM   #1107
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man are you for real? 18 years after the fact you are still banging your head against a wall trying to make this work?
Are you asking me why I'm still contemplating fun things to think about for the last 18 years?

 
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Old 03-01-2018, 07:43 PM   #1108
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At least half of Machina 2 is total crap.

 
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Old 03-01-2018, 07:44 PM   #1109
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At least half of Machina 2 is total crap.
Machina 2 is a way better album than M1

 
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Old 03-01-2018, 09:34 PM   #1110
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and half of it is total crap

 
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