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Old 10-25-2020, 03:13 PM   #121
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Old 10-25-2020, 05:57 PM   #122
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I remember one interview where Billy is being difficult and is sitting with the rest of the band, it's the one where he jokes about James being the antichrist or whatever. There's another with Dave Fanning where the interview is in a hotel room overseas and the band seems exhausted from touring, they seem slightly aggravated and impatient but nothing more than that. Other than that, in the other interviews everyone comes across well and Billy makes a point of saying the band gets along well and has gotten past their past problems. I can't remember exactly but I think he also says the problems were exaggerated by the media. So I don't understand where the narrative is coming from in the recent interview
There’s multiple interviews from 98 where the antagonism between Billy and D’Arcy is obvious but they all did seem like pals in the MCIS interviews for sure.

 
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Old 10-25-2020, 06:14 PM   #123
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Billy can't actually play guitar; it was all a character

There was a tech offstage playing all the parts. Same for Jimmy

D'Arcy is actually a great bassist, funnily enough

 
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Old 10-25-2020, 06:17 PM   #124
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There’s multiple interviews from 98 where the antagonism between Billy and D’Arcy is obvious but they all did seem like pals in the MCIS interviews for sure.
Yeah, I don't think D'Arcy was big fan of Adore.

 
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Old 10-25-2020, 06:27 PM   #125
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Billy can't actually play guitar; it was all a character

There was a tech offstage playing all the parts. Same for Jimmy

D'Arcy is actually a great bassist, funnily enough
We all know D'Arcy is a Champion Level bassist

 
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Old 10-25-2020, 06:48 PM   #126
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"Stop living in the past. I'm not going to release Siamese Dream II.

"Anyway, here's Machina III: MCIS 2."
God I hope that’s the album title

 
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:39 PM   #127
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Official title is:
MCIS: Return of the Sadness, Machina III, Vol. 1

 
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:45 PM   #128
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Yeah, I don't think D'Arcy was big fan of Adore.
She was actually. In the Ultrasound MTV special before the release of Adore she talks about how Billy wrote some of the most beautiful songs she has ever heard for the album. It seemed to be Machina she had more of an issue with with Billy trying to be Marilyn Manson and doing a concept album and wearing the gaultier and all that shit.

 
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:54 PM   #129
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yes, this thread confirmed why i didn't bother to listen to the great WPC recount memories from 1994-1997.

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Old 10-25-2020, 09:00 PM   #130
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She was actually. In the Ultrasound MTV special before the release of Adore she talks about how Billy wrote some of the most beautiful songs she has ever heard for the album. It seemed to be Machina she had more of an issue with with Billy trying to be Marilyn Manson and doing a concept album and wearing the gaultier and all that shit.
I'll have to find that one. I remember during the making of Adore there was an interview with D'Arcy where she expressed some reservation at using electronic elements instead of traditional instruments, and seemed just generally laissez faire to whole thing, but I guess she liked it once it was completed

 
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Old 10-26-2020, 02:58 AM   #131
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Yeah, I don't think D'Arcy was big fan of Adore.
She talked pretty specifically about how Billy’s songwriting for Adore was some of the most impressive, most beautiful music he ever wrote.

 
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Old 10-26-2020, 03:47 AM   #132
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Not denying that now that you guys are pointing it out but she did express some frustration during the recording of the album saying she didn't care for using computers instead of instruments.

 
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Old 10-26-2020, 09:15 AM   #133
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yes, this thread confirmed why i didn't bother to listen to the great WPC recount memories from 1994-1997.

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My boy Trent knew what was up back then

 
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Old 10-26-2020, 09:56 AM   #134
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D’Arcy is fairly suspicious of technology. There’s an interview from 1995 where she gripes about people spending too much time on their computers.

 
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:04 AM   #135
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d'arcy predicted q

 
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:22 AM   #136
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I don't know if you can say Billy is intentionally retconning the band's history with him playing characters.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I'm not sure if he meant he was literally "in character" during the MCIS run, or else that he was internalizing a bunch of shit and playing a character to keep it together.

If you're on a massive tour playing 3 hour shows every night I can definitely see it.

It is bullshit to say all interviews and things like that were in character, because all the contemporary records have no evidence whatsoever for that.

 
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:32 AM   #137
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didn't D'arcy go on record as saying Adore should've been a Billy solo album? that's the only real "gripe" i've heard from her on it

 
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Old 10-26-2020, 12:53 PM   #138
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if Adore were his solo album, it would have been his first and only good solo album

 
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Old 10-26-2020, 12:59 PM   #139
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Old 10-26-2020, 01:22 PM   #140
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if Adore were his solo album, it would have been his first and only good solo album
It is a solo album, though. We know he write everything and records everything except drums.

 
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Old 10-26-2020, 01:23 PM   #141
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I don't know if you can say Billy is intentionally retconning the band's history with him playing characters.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I'm not sure if he meant he was literally "in character" during the MCIS run, or else that he was internalizing a bunch of shit and playing a character to keep it together.

If you're on a massive tour playing 3 hour shows every night I can definitely see it.

It is bullshit to say all interviews and things like that were in character, because all the contemporary records have no evidence whatsoever for that.
I 100% believe that he's always been playing characters to some extent. Maybe not fully fleshed out, named characters but he's always been a "rockstar" behaving in a "rockstar" way.


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Old 10-26-2020, 01:58 PM   #142
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I think MCIS Billy was playing into his teenage thoughts/desires/wants. He was intentionally being juvenile, as he saw it as his last chance to have that kind of grandiose/idealistic/"true self" expression that a teenager would want.

So he was playing a character of his younger self, basically. That's been my understanding for a while. He was in his late 20's but letting his 15-20 year old emotional self take control for the lyrics/themes. I think it was more genuine on SD (especially because songs like Rocket and Silverfuck were already largely written in like 1990 - his early 20s), and he knew it was his last hurrah with that type of material and went all out with it on MCIS.

 
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It is a solo album, though. We know he write everything and records everything except drums.
we know that, yes, but there's the simple yet wildly important factor of them actually releasing it under the Pumpkins' name. it'd be like if Scott Weiland had convinced the rest of the band to put out "8 Bar Blues" as an STP record

 
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Old 10-26-2020, 02:52 PM   #144
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we know that, yes, but there's the simple yet wildly important factor of them actually releasing it under the Pumpkins' name. it'd be like if Scott Weiland had convinced the rest of the band to put out "8 Bar Blues" as an STP record
Except James and D'arcy recorded on Adore. James especially. He even written James tracks during Adore like with Mellon Collie. There's a whole Adore doc with the 3 of them in the studio. If Adore is a solo record, then so is Siamese Dream by your definition. You can clearly hear James atmospheric stuff all over Adore, which, sadly, Billy doesn't seem good at doing.

Kinda funny how Mellon Collie is their best album, yet it's their most band album of them all. 4 people together in a room.

This is gonna be the problem with the sequel album. Billy is never gonna capture that band in a room feeling because there is no band in a room. But with the way Billy records today, we'll be lucky if it sounds like another Zeitgeist album.

 
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Except James and D'arcy recorded on Adore. James especially. He even written James tracks during Adore like with Mellon Collie. There's a whole Adore doc with the 3 of them in the studio. If Adore is a solo record, then so is Siamese Dream by your definition. You can clearly hear James atmospheric stuff all over Adore, which, sadly, Billy doesn't seem good at doing.

Kinda funny how Mellon Collie is their best album, yet it's their most band album of them all. 4 people together in a room.

This is gonna be the problem with the sequel album. Billy is never gonna capture that band in a room feeling because there is no band in a room. But with the way Billy records today, we'll be lucky if it sounds like another Zeitgeist album.
The ebow in Shame is so James and it is quite wonderful.

 
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I think MCIS Billy was playing into his teenage thoughts/desires/wants. He was intentionally being juvenile, as he saw it as his last chance to have that kind of grandiose/idealistic/"true self" expression that a teenager would want.

So he was playing a character of his younger self, basically. That's been my understanding for a while. He was in his late 20's but letting his 15-20 year old emotional self take control for the lyrics/themes. I think it was more genuine on SD (especially because songs like Rocket and Silverfuck were already largely written in like 1990 - his early 20s), and he knew it was his last hurrah with that type of material and went all out with it on MCIS.
I never got the character aspect in Gish or SD era. I do recall him saying MCIS was written from the perspective of a teenager and I thought this was the first album with such a structured theme from this band.

I mean, you go from Tristessa and Glynis and Quiet to Zero, Porcelina of the Vast Oceans, Medellia of the Grey Skies so certainly the melodrama is amped up.

 
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Old 10-27-2020, 12:57 AM   #147
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This is gonna be the problem with the sequel album. Billy is never gonna capture that band in a room feeling because there is no band in a room.
i bet every other record any other band does during quarantine will still manage to be better than this tho

 
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Old 10-27-2020, 01:23 AM   #148
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In all fairness I think they said they were meeting at a studio to record. At least Billy and Jimmy are

 
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I think MCIS Billy was playing into his teenage thoughts/desires/wants. He was intentionally being juvenile, as he saw it as his last chance to have that kind of grandiose/idealistic/"true self" expression that a teenager would want.

So he was playing a character of his younger self, basically. That's been my understanding for a while. He was in his late 20's but letting his 15-20 year old emotional self take control for the lyrics/themes. I think it was more genuine on SD (especially because songs like Rocket and Silverfuck were already largely written in like 1990 - his early 20s), and he knew it was his last hurrah with that type of material and went all out with it on MCIS.
That's totally cool and if he said something like this that would be totally legit. Songs are written from the perspective of a character or type of person all the time. A huge portion of Led Zeppelin songs sound like they're from the point of view of a character on a great pastoral adventure. Many country songs contain storylines, and the list goes on and on. If Billy had specific things in mind like that then it would be cool to hear about. But for whatever reason he seems like he wants to discredit everyone's perception and memories of the band by saying it was all an act.

 
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Chamberlin has been into the New Age shit for a while now. Probably common amongst ex-addicts who attribute their recovery to a higher power or becoming "spiritually in tune" with what the universe is telling them and their chakras or whatever.

He's just never come across as annoying as Corgan is about it, because he isn't smarmily preaching about positivity and healing and vibrations while simultaneously being a negative, grudge-bearing, thin-skinned asshole. It comes across as far less disingenuous when he does it because Chamberlin genuinely comes across as a nice guy.
new JCC album is so good but the track titles seem so irritatingly fuckin billy wilson

humility is an absolute bop

i mean i'm not sure if i'd rather that or fuckin vouchsafe cyyylllindeoux: an art piece for the flugelhorn in F#

 
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