Mark McGrath appreciation thread

[Zer0 Hour]

Originally Posted by WeilandFan

"Wounded" by Third Eye Blind is an incredible song. It's a shame Jenkins was an asshole and pushed Kevin Cadogan and Arion Salazar out of the band.

Jenkins pushed out Cadogan and his replacement Friedianelli, but I thought Salazar left of his own accord. I remember Jenkins saying something like "Arion is welcome to come back to the band if he wants to" after the split. I may be wrong though; Jenkins was a real asshole to his former bandmates.

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by KissesandNoise

Yeah, the States were in a bad place in the late 90s. I hung on with the Pumpkins, but found bands like Modest Mouse, Built to Spill, and QOTSA. Largely I turned to UK/Europe for the chill alt-electronic bands I mentioned like Morcheeba and Portishead, even more electronic for Air and groups like the Propellerheads, but mostly to the retro revival alt-rock like The Verve, Supergrass, Gomez, and lots more, but those 3 bands are seriously fucking amazing.

wow you are a true adventurer

[smashingjj]

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[KissesandNoise]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

wow you are a true adventurer

Truly. Sailing the seas of semi-popular rock music. Supergrass and Gomez were almost completely unknown in the States in 98. Same with Morcheeba. Modest Mouse didn't get off college radio before 2004 - or at least 2000. The Elevator Drops were of the same era. Best band that no one has heard of.

[KissesandNoise]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

Enough of your Euro-Porn!

[Mals Marola]

I fucking love The Verve

Ashcroft's artistic decline and bad decisions (seemingly) based off of ego trappings are somewhat similar to Billy's I guess but not even remotely as jarring. First solo album was great, even, & Verve's reunion album didn't suck

[Mals Marola]

Like Zeitgeist tho, the best songs were b-sides

[Mals Marola]

Supergrass are also fuckin stellar & I'm surprised they've stayed apart this long. That said it seems like Gaz is doing pretty well for himself

[Kahlo]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

I fucking love The Verve

I saw Richard Ashcroft supporting The Stones last month. 3/10

10/10 for the Stones making him his support act and presumably not having to pay him due to royalties from his only good song.

[KissesandNoise]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

Supergrass are also fuckin stellar & I'm surprised they've stayed apart this long. That said it seems like Gaz is doing pretty well for himself

That big Verve album is just so lush and beautiful. The one right before it is great too.

I get the feeling Supergrass isn't coming back. That would be a shame. That rhythm section was a nut puncher.

I got Gaz's latest album. I really dig it. Not as muscular as Supergrass, but I don't think he's going there. I didn't know there was a video, but I can't get enough of this song ...

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by Kahlo

I saw Richard Ashcroft supporting The Stones last month. 3/10

10/10 for the Stones making him his support act and presumably not having to pay him due to royalties from his only good song.

Only good song, lol. Not even the best from that album

I have few doubts that the 3/10 is unjustified though

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by KissesandNoise

That big Verve album is just so lush and beautiful. The one right before it is great too.

I get the feeling Supergrass isn't coming back. That would be a shame. That rhythm section was a nut puncher.

I got Gaz's latest album. I really dig it. Not as muscular as Supergrass, but I don't think he's going there. I didn't know there was a video, but I can't get enough of this song ...

Detroit's from Matador, i'm listening to that one right now actually

He actually put out one this year, just a few months ago, which I ain't heard yet. But yeah Matador's good

[KissesandNoise]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

Detroit's from Matador, i'm listening to that one right now actually

He actually put out one this year, just a few months ago, which I ain't heard yet. But yeah Matador's good

Ah! Thanks for the head's up!

Yeah. "Bittersweet" is great, but "Lucky Man" "Sonnet" "Catching the Butterfly" "Velvet Morning?" Shit hot.

[houseofglass11]

A Storm In Heaven and the first Verve EP, that stuff is as good as any early Pumpkins.

[KissesandNoise]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

A Storm In Heaven and the first Verve EP, that stuff is as good as any early Pumpkins.

Whoa, whoa, whoa - hey now. Haha

[houseofglass11]

No no it’s definitely true. A Nothern Soul also.

[KissesandNoise]

"Northern Soul" is fucking great. I will dig into some of those EPs and Storm

[houseofglass11]

Damn son, check out the A Storm In Heaven deluxe edition pronto. It's a goldmine

[WeilandFan]

Originally Posted by Zer0 Hour

Jenkins pushed out Cadogan and his replacement Friedianelli, but I thought Salazar left of his own accord. I remember Jenkins saying something like "Arion is welcome to come back to the band if he wants to" after the split. I may be wrong though; Jenkins was a real asshole to his former bandmates.

Salazar did leave on his own, but it was over Jenkins screwing him on songwriting credits/royalties. Tony also left over money/royalties.

Out of the Vein had some good songs though not as good as the two Cadogan records. Palm Reader's a really good song though, probably my favorite with Tony. Tony, Cadogan, and Arion are touring now as XEB.

I dug deeper into Third Eye Blind earlier this year, those first two records are great. Underrated band that could have grown into something bigger if they'd stuck together.

[houseofglass11]

I saw XEB last year in a bar with about 10 people in the crowd. They were great, played the first album in its entirety. Kevin Cadogan is an underrated guitarist and Arion is a killer bassist. Jenkins is someone whose ego may have even outsized Corgan.

[Corgan's Bluff]

Originally Posted by Kahlo

I saw Richard Ashcroft supporting The Stones last month. 3/10

10/10 for the Stones making him his support act and presumably not having to pay him due to royalties from his only good song.

Ugly story upon the royalties of their Bitter Sweet Symphony...:

[Zer0 Hour]

Originally Posted by WeilandFan

Salazar did leave on his own, but it was over Jenkins screwing him on songwriting credits/royalties. Tony also left over money/royalties.

Out of the Vein had some good songs though not as good as the two Cadogan records. Palm Reader's a really good song though, probably my favorite with Tony. Tony, Cadogan, and Arion are touring now as XEB.

I dug deeper into Third Eye Blind earlier this year, those first two records are great. Underrated band that could have grown into something bigger if they'd stuck together.

Ah okay, that makes sense. I figured Arion leaving probably was due to Jenkins being a dick in some way, shape or form. Haven't heard XEB but I'll have to check them out. Both of Tony and Kevin are really good guitarists.

I still think 3EB's later stuff is good though. Like you said, Palm Reader is a great song, as are Wake for Young Souls, Blinded, Forget Myself... hell, that whole album is great. I think I would view Blue in higher regard if they didn't put that fucking Camouflage song on that album. God, what an annoying piece of shit song. I also find The Red Summer Sun really grating because Jenkins sounds like he's doing a bad Brian Johnson impression. But songs like Farther, 1000 Julys and other tracks on that one are really good.

[johncg]

A whole thread about Mark McGrath and Third Eye Blind.

I guess the tour is going well.

[smashingjj]

boooooooring

[RAWK]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

A Storm In Heaven and the first Verve EP, that stuff is as good as any early Pumpkins.

Are you fucking kidding me?

[MplsTaper]

Let's talk about Sponge for a while.

[MplsTaper]

You know who were better than Sugar Ray? Brainiac

[houseofglass11]

Originally Posted by RAWK

Are you fucking kidding me?

No, are you? A Storm In Heaven is amazing. As good as Gish easily. Anyone who likes shoegaze and psychedelic rock would agree unless they’re some ignorant twat like you appear to be.