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08-11-2014, 10:26 PM | #31 |
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I was thinking about this earlier. It's got to be the most horrible feeling when someone you love kills themselves because it makes you wish you could've helped them or done something... or like you were a part of their life that wasn't worth living or was too miserable to keep living.
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08-11-2014, 10:32 PM | #32 |
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let's get into the argument about suicide again wrt it being just as selfish for people to not allow you to kill yourself when you want to die because it will hurt them
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08-11-2014, 10:34 PM | #33 | |
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08-11-2014, 10:40 PM | #34 |
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i didn't make a facecrook post, i just made a snarky comment about how it's unfair that dane cook still lives on trots' post
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08-11-2014, 10:43 PM | #35 |
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@duovamp
exactly. mental illnesses are diseases of perception. bipolar people in the middle of an episode are experiencing an extremely distorted reality and they therefore cannot properly evaluate the potential consequences of such a severe act. people don't make the conscious decision to end themselves because they've rationally weighed the pros and cons of doing so. it's because they're sick. you don't call someone selfish for succumbing to cancer. and you shouldn't call someone selfish for trying to end their misery. in both cases, the suffers have a tenuous control over their own condition, and losing a loved one to suicide should be viewed similarly to losing them to any other illness. social mores make this very hard, though. |
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08-11-2014, 10:47 PM | #36 | |
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This hits home for me as I found a family member dead after they killed themselves. But like Williams we knew suicide was a possibility, they had extensive help, and no matter what they went back into the downward spiral every time. Depression has a terrible stigma but I'm not certain how much that comes into play in these cases. I'm fortunate to never being able to understand this mental state but am always astonished at the amount of people who do. |
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08-11-2014, 10:47 PM | #37 | |
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08-11-2014, 11:10 PM | #38 |
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Another cancer analogy: you have to choose the method of treatment that will keep the cancer from recurring, even if the chance of success isn't 100%.
Lots of treatments exist that work spectacularly well for many people. Other drugs like lithium (which I believe was one of the drugs he was on) carry some not-insignificant side-effects that come as a trade-off. People also often have to rotate between drugs because their bodies stop responding to it. Cognitive behavioral therapy often works very well as it helps to identify environmental triggers for these episodes. So to answer your question, yes, there is hope for these people, but it is necessary to stay vigilant for these methods to remain effective. |
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08-11-2014, 11:14 PM | #39 |
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ive said my piece. goodnight.
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08-11-2014, 11:32 PM | #40 | |
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08-11-2014, 11:38 PM | #41 |
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Yeah, combined with pervasive stigma about depression and other mental disorders, it's not really surprising that so many people adopt a "suck it up, you died because you were weak" attitude. It's not really any different than telling someone with ALS or MS to suck it up and start walking. There's a physiological basis for these things
He was probably the first actor I knew by name. Genuinely sad. |
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08-11-2014, 11:38 PM | #42 | |
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08-12-2014, 01:00 AM | #43 |
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Thanks for that, having discussions is stupid, why even bother posting anything
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08-12-2014, 05:45 AM | #44 | |
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Here is in his prime:http://ilarge.listal.com/image/63260...her-walken.jpg And now a more current photographhttp://www.picpicx.com/wp-content/up...221a280a34.jpg |
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08-12-2014, 05:49 AM | #45 | |
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The guy's great at playing a wide range of roles. I was just watching that movie "Jack" where he plays a little kid a couple moths ago (that I also bought from the video store) and I got a kick out of it. And One hour photo. Si the photo guy... Just epic. Such a tragic loss. |
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08-12-2014, 05:57 AM | #46 |
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Yeah, It's a shame that in this generation people still have to feel shame and hide their emotional problems
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08-12-2014, 07:36 AM | #47 |
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someone mentioned medications and ilikeplanets rears her ugly head.
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08-12-2014, 08:46 AM | #48 |
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Ju-fucking-manji.
p.s. the kid was Kirsten Dunst. Fuck. |
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08-12-2014, 03:53 PM | #49 | |
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08-12-2014, 08:11 PM | #50 |
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i've had several close friends who've committed suicide. you don't know shit
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08-12-2014, 08:48 PM | #51 |
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1. toys 2. mrs. doubtfire 3. good morning vietnam |
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08-12-2014, 09:46 PM | #52 |
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first day as a woman and i'm already getting hot flashes
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08-12-2014, 10:07 PM | #53 |
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i liked when he played capt hook.. he was also cool as aladdin
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08-12-2014, 10:33 PM | #54 | |
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08-12-2014, 11:22 PM | #55 |
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williams was sick and is also responsible for what he did. it's not either or.
it is sad but if he really wanted to die, he made it 63 years in pain and imo has the right to do whatever the fuck he wants with his life. so im sort of happy for him that he is not in pain anymore. obviously it would have been better if he had been able to get his illness under control, but since he obviously couldn't, i don't begrudge him. he was bipolar and a drug addict (off and on) his entire life and was very open about it all. this isnt exactly the most surprising way for him to die. |
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08-12-2014, 11:27 PM | #56 |
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this is why i sometimes dont think i can ever be a therapist. i dont think suicide is immoral or wrong in any way. i would obviously do everything i could to help a client but after years of therapy and medications and no improvement i would empathize with their urges to kill themselves. perhaps because i have been there. it's not a selfish thing at all. i think no pain is better than severe pain for the rest of your life.
then again i've been in situations where i've called police on suicidal people. oh well #yolo right |
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08-12-2014, 11:41 PM | #57 |
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08-12-2014, 11:50 PM | #58 |
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Poot, youre a fucking jackass
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08-13-2014, 12:23 AM | #59 |
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netphorian tradition.
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08-13-2014, 12:25 AM | #60 |
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searching for threads with hell in the title brings lots of lols
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