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Old 08-08-2011, 04:02 AM   #1
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Default It should've been Hillary. (Obama = EPIC FAIL)

I know a lot of fellow Obama voters are holding back their true feelings, but let's face it: he's now destined to be a one-term President. He's going down in flames in 2012, I'm calling it right now. The debt ceiling debacle cut back on a lot of the gains, even if minimal, made economically, and this is only going to get worse. That's the last thing he wants. People warn that time is running out for him, but really, in light of what has just happened... he's fucked. There's not enough time for the economy and unemployment to recover to a respectable level.

The Republicans in Congress did not help. Seriously, they are the most heartless group of pricks ever seen on capitol hill. Their latest obstruction is downright brutal; they literally held the world's economy hostage so the Tea Party could get as much out of the final deal as possible. Biden is spot on: THEY ARE TERRORISTS. Obama should be denouncing them every single day. Instead, he continues to reach out, hoping everyone can come together and be happy which will never happen. He's completely delusional. I am amazed at how utterly incompetent he is. It's scary.

Yes, the GOP's antics are proof that the House and especially Senate should be reformed, if not abolished so a new form of government can take its place. I can't blame Obama for their antics, obviously. They thwarted a lot of things just because it would've had Obama's name on it, even if they were good ideas (classic Republican ideas, even). What I blame him for is his willingness to consistently compromise his way through every major decision he makes even if the opposition will have absolutely nothing to do with it. After trying the first couple times (i.e. stimulus and early stages of health care reform), this approach MAKES NO SENSE. I understand that it was part of his campaign and what made him different. But after trying so many times and getting it thrown right back in your face, you have to get a grasp on the situation by taking a stand.

The stimulus was too small and loaded with unnecessary tax breaks which did not help, only hurt, the recovery. The health care bill was stripped of the public option despite being passed with reconciliation and having no GOP votes anyway -- how fucking stupid. Financial reform looks excellent on paper but has no teeth; might as well have been scrapped. Congress actually allowed the Bush tax cuts to continue so unemployment benefits could be extended. Huge mistake. Restoring them back to previous rates is a vital part of getting the economy strong again. Obama should have had the balls to knock some sense into the then Democratic House majority; he didn't. He can't even keep his own party in check.

Hillary wouldn't have let any of this happen. We would've had a more robust stimulus package and I guarantee you the Bush tax cuts would have never been extended. We probably wouldn't have got health care reform, but considering its future is still unclear and its implementation is a total clusterfuck, Obama should've walked away from it. He spent way too much time on it and basically gave up all of his political capital, forever forcing himself into 50/50 approval/disapproval territory (at best). The individual mandate will be struck down and the law will eventually be repealed, most likely. He handled it very poorly to begin with, throwing it to Pelosi and Reid to figure out while he watched from a distance. When you hold the majority in both the House and Senate, you don't do that. Even Walter fucking Mondale called Obama out over this. He basically spent all of 2009 on something that isn't even going to last long enough to be fully implemented. What a waste.

She would have handled the debt ceiling crisis ten times better than Obama's people by being much more aggressive and not hoping for compromise after being defied by the right-wing time and time again. After the Tea Party refused to go with the Obama/Boehner compromise, he should have used the 14th Amendment. Increasing the debt ceiling at a time like this with no revenues is insane.

And while this isn't Obama's fault, it's a burden that we all have to bear: There would be no Tea Party, at least not at this level, if Hillary was elected. It almost makes me want to say that this nation was not ready for a black President. Now, outside of that, I guarantee you that in her first two years, Hillary would have done a much better job defining the issues and combating the lie/distort machine that is the GOP. That, combined with the fact that the Tea Party wouldn't have taken off like they did because of there being a black man in the White House, would have minimized losses in the midterm elections. Hell, Democrats would probably still have the House and would have held more Seats in the Senate.

I caught Obama fever like everyone else, but I can only feel so bad about it. His presence on the national stage was a breath of fresh air during the Bush years that none of the other Democratic candidates were capable of providing. But it's becoming increasingly clear to me that Hillary should have been the 44th President.

So, I hope you guys are ready for 2012. It's going to be a fun ride. Really, I'm upset at myself and others for voting this clown in over Hillary, and mad that Obama's incompetence is going to turn back the clock to the Bush years. The Seante is without a doubt going back to the GOP, and the White House is nearly a done deal as well. We're going to have a GOP House, Senate, and White House all over again.

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Old 08-08-2011, 05:01 AM   #2
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:13 AM   #3
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What?

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:44 AM   #4
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caught up in the moment

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:04 AM   #5
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What do you mean? Why is my post so funny?

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:09 AM   #6
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Its not, bit depressing actually. wish I could say you're wrong but things seem headed that way. That was my initial reaction, what else can I say.

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:19 AM   #7
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No, I hear you.

I just... I don't know what is going through the man's head. Does he? Remember Obama on the campaign trail? What happened to that guy? TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. Candidate Obama has more balls than President Obama. What the fuck?! He knows how to be aggressive. Why thwart it in the face of faux compromise? I literally do not understand.

It almost makes me think he doesn't care, and just wanted to run a campaign better than the GOP and become the first black President, thus making him a self-centered asshole with some incredible acting skills.

Otherwise... he can't be this incompetent, can he? Really, was Jimmy Carter even this bad? How the hell does Obama not have a 30% approval rating right now?

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:22 AM   #8
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to be clear it wasnt a reaction to the substance of your post, rather its existence and the fact you were the one making it.

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:23 AM   #9
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I can't make excuses for the guy anymore.

Man, Chicago sucks. From Billy Corgan to Barack Obama, it's ruled by incompetence and people with so much talent letting you down. If not incompetence, corruption. But in this case, a ridiculous amount of incompetence. So much potential and he didn't even want to seize it for the most logic-defying reasons.

I'll vote for him again, because the GOP + Tea Party scares the shit out of me and Obama is at least sane. He would do things such as nominating sane people to the SCOTUS and, you know, not being an ultra-right winger. We're still fucked because I can't see moderates breaking for him and that's all that will matter.

And before anyone pulls out the Romney card, he'd have to do the same thing McCain did -- sell his soul to the devil and become a mere shell of his former self -- to get the nomination.

But yeah, count on Rick Perry or Mitt Romney being the next President.

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Old 08-08-2011, 06:33 AM   #10
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No, I hear you.

I just... I don't know what is going through the man's head. Does he? Remember Obama on the campaign trail? What happened to that guy? TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. Candidate Obama has more balls than President Obama. What the fuck?! He knows how to be aggressive. Why thwart it in the face of faux compromise? I literally do not understand.

It almost makes me think he doesn't care, and just wanted to run a campaign better than the GOP and become the first black President, thus making him a self-centered asshole with some incredible acting skills.

Otherwise... he can't be this incompetent, can he? Really, was Jimmy Carter even this bad? How the hell does Obama not have a 30% approval rating right now?
I cant exactly fault him for this. He told you guys he wanted compromise and to bring the sides together. Obama supporters were entranced by that shit, you cant turn on him now as if he's springing it on you. People shouldve realized it was bs, not because he was lying (he may actually believe his role is to be mediator in chief, or thought he was just THAT awesome) but because it was naive and misguided.

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:41 AM   #11
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*sigh*

It's so true. He would've made an awesome Vice President, and would have got a lot of experience that way. He's young enough so that after Hillary ran (and really, she'd have been smart enough to secure two terms and end things on a positive note for her party) he'd get one after her, ensuring the Democrats at least 12 years to nullify if not undo all the right-wing bullshit we've had to put up with for so long now.

Democrats had it all. With the right leadership they would have been able to hold onto the House majority for a long time and drive out the extremists that have been poisoning the GOP. It was a once in a generation opportunity. He blew it. I don't know how he cannot understand how badly he has ruined everything for American politics. 2008 was the time to once and for all stomp out the right-wing and their growing influence on molding this country's socioeconomic stature. You DO NOT fuck that up. Hillary is smart enough to not only understand this but act on it.

We're so fucked. Not just in 2012 but for decades to come. Obama sure did change the tone, just not in a way I would have ever imagined... what a joke.

Jimmy Carter must be feeling really good about himself right now. Pressure's off, dude.

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Old 08-08-2011, 06:45 AM   #12
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I can't make excuses for the guy anymore.

Man, Chicago sucks. From Billy Corgan to Barack Obama, it's ruled by incompetence and people with so much talent letting you down. If not incompetence, corruption. But in this case, a ridiculous amount of incompetence. So much potential and he didn't even want to seize it for the most logic-defying reasons.

I'll vote for him again, because the GOP + Tea Party scares the shit out of me and Obama is at least sane. He would do things such as nominating sane people to the SCOTUS and, you know, not being an ultra-right winger. We're still fucked because I can't see moderates breaking for him and that's all that will matter.

And before anyone pulls out the Romney card, he'd have to do the same thing McCain did -- sell his soul to the devil and become a mere shell of his former self -- to get the nomination.

But yeah, count on Rick Perry or Mitt Romney being the next President.
If you look at it from the POV that the country is pretty much fucked for the foreseeable future then I'm sorry but we need Obama out. He simply will never put forth a counter argument to the Republicans. We need Democrats acting like Democrats again (as full of shit as they may be). That will not come with Obama in the WH. Would he even try nominating a center left person if we lose the Senate? If he wins re-election why would he suddenly change tactics on any of his compromising ways? He will see it as justification of it and just keep going.

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:07 AM   #13
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Pretty sure I've been saying he's the next Jimmy Carter for like a year before he was elected.

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:16 AM   #14
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I pretty much expect him to be a complete Peanut Jimmy.
a year before, a day after-its all the same.

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 10:33 AM   #15
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The Republicans in Congress did not help. Seriously, they are the most heartless group of pricks ever seen on capitol hill. Their latest obstruction is downright brutal; they literally held the world's economy hostage so the Tea Party could get as much out of the final deal as possible. Biden is spot on: THEY ARE TERRORISTS
I was interested in what you had to say until this bit of nonsense. Why stop there? THEY ARE MEGA-HITLERS

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Yes, the GOP's antics are proof that the House and especially Senate should be reformed, if not abolished so a new form of government can take its place.
yes no more checks and balances. let's just elect dictators from now on

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 10:35 AM   #16
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you guys are lucky Nimrod came into this thread to make you look better by comparison

 
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although Gish you wrote some seriously retarded shit up there

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 12:23 PM   #18
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the reason i voted for hillary in the primary is because i figured she had more experience. though i didn't care much who won, figured they'd both be good presidents. but it was annoying everybody kept shouting her down over every asinine thing

i'm not certain she would've been THAT much better but i do think things would run alot smoother because you wouldn't have the other side foaming at the mouth over everything. so we probably would come out with more robust HCR and a stimulus but not so much out of her merits as she isn't a black nationalist tyrant

interestingly enough, i'm reading Game Changer (good book, about to be a movie. check it out) and it if hillary was "the right one", not saying she was, then the democrats have nobody themselves but to blame because they were so terrified of her losing the general they assembled themselves right away to find a candidate to defeat her once she announced her bid. this was stupid because 2008 was a lock for democrats

 
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Individual mandate will not be struck down.

The rest is pretty accurate though. But I still think he has a shot.

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 03:05 PM   #20
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maybe we should give john edward another shot

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:06 PM   #21
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Recovering Obamatards list:


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It may be fiction...some of it. Or none of it. If the latter is the case, it should resolve a lot of your confusion.

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:16 PM   #22
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i'm not certain she would've been THAT much better but i do think things would run alot smoother because you wouldn't have the other side foaming at the mouth over everything.
Nah, she's a female. It'd be the same.

 
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There would be very little difference today if Clinton were Pres

 
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the tea party are not mega-hitlers


they are ultrahitlers.

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:42 PM   #25
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we should try painting them as dangerous anarchists

 
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:45 PM   #26
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No I think I'm just going to call them socialists and liberals.

 
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What does the Tea Party have to do with the fact Obama is the most in over his head President in history?

To say he's delusional does not even begin to address the problem. Saying the markets still think we're AAA as he did today at his presser is Unicorn, Tooth Fairy terrority. Citing Warren Buffett was a hoot too.


Or maybe he isn't delusional. Maybe he's doing exactly what he's supposed to by destroying the country. In that way, he's a success.

 
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well uh they did sell off stock to buy our bonds and gold to pay tribute to the annuaki...so in a way he's right and in a way it's positively obvious you're the most in over his head political commentator in history

 
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To say he's delusional does not even begin to address the problem. Saying the markets still think we're AAA as he did today at his presser is Unicorn, Tooth Fairy terrority.
I dont think he said that. He said we're all AAA in his heart or some shit.

 
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Yeah that's basically what he said. AMERICA IS AAA OK !!!

 
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