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07-09-2018, 06:07 PM | #61 |
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07-09-2018, 06:24 PM | #62 |
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Jagstang = cool
Corgan Reverend Custom = way fkn uglier than the jag |
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07-09-2018, 06:24 PM | #63 |
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Ok.
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07-09-2018, 07:37 PM | #64 | |
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Palm muting a string out of tune? wtf? If the string is in or out of tune, it's in or out of tune. Where the palm is placed has no bearing on tuning, unless it's a shit guitar. Even so, that's a weak point of criteria on a guitarist's ability to play. J Mascis didn't even know what palm muting was until a couple of years ago.. how do I know? I know the guy. Musicians of all walks of life talk about everything related to their craft, and yeah gear is a part of that. Anyone that is skeptical of a guy that talks about gear is probably some douche who knows nothing about what goes into their own craft. I myself don't like to talk about gear because I find it boring, BUT when asked a question that's not pointless and a waste of a conversation, I do know what I'm talking about. Billy play's a lot of notes, and you equate that to him not knowing how good his sound is? IMO, every note he plays means something.. I think the solo's in Soma, Aeroplane, Starla, Here is No Why are good examples.. there's melodic build ups, and shred moments that articulate the emotion of the song he's writing. He's not just noodling around, and just because he can play fast doesn't mean he's just "noodling." But this is fucking dumb. comparing the two guitarists is like apples and oranges, they come from completely different backgrounds and schools of thought.. saying one is better than the other is a useless exercise and honestly this argument sounds like it comes from one of these dudes that will come up to me after a show and try to impress me with what little they might know about theory, gear, etc.. and then try to support their theory on a casual relationship they have with a 'pro.' I doubt you're that kind of douche, but as far as this argument goes, stop it. |
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07-09-2018, 07:51 PM | #65 |
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I dunno about that. When's the last time that Billy has done anything remotely interesting with the guitar? A song or 2 with Zwan? A few cool moments on Zeitgeist. That's not a very good resume over the past 20 years.
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07-09-2018, 08:11 PM | #66 |
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Kurt could jam, he could play and write just fine. But nothing he ever put out spoke to me in quite the way Bill's solos and leads did. IMO Bill was a way better writer and much more technically skilled player, and Kurt generally wrote simple and direct stuff but that doesn't mean he sucked or anything.
Define 'good' - it's apples and oranges as far as I'm concerned. No comparison to be made. And gear's beside the point. Neither of them used it as any kind of crutch. |
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07-09-2018, 08:23 PM | #67 |
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doing the "dead guy" vs "not dead guy" olympics is pretty lame. it's generally classless to engage in those conversations and most people are smart enough not to. Of course some big somebody is gonna say kurt was a guitar god, what's he got to lose?
knowing gear and being gear focused are two different things. billy isn't just a gear snob that's done nothing pursuing the perfect tone. lace sensors in a start into an IC chip muff with a kt88 marshall 800... that shit rocks. playing dumb loud with great gear is a treat. playing cranked solid state peavey amps just makes everyones ears bleed in a bad way. |
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07-09-2018, 08:43 PM | #68 | |
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see how stupid this is? i imagine you don't |
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07-09-2018, 08:46 PM | #69 |
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07-10-2018, 10:26 AM | #70 |
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Kurt was a great musician and overall more iconic than Billy but if we're talking guitar playing ability on a purely technical level, it's not even close... Billy surpasses him easily. If it wasn't for Billy's ego, combative nature, and his periodic refusal to use lengthy solos in his songs, he probably would be listed among the greatest guitarists of all time. His ability is clearly there. He just... doesn't use it enough for whatever reason. It frustrates me to a degree because I play the guitar but I don't have that kind of talent. But if I did, and I was as successful as he's been, I'd like to think that I would use it as much as I could. I also feel like there are some people out there who maybe have never heard Starla or Hummer and don't realize just how fucking good he can be. Even when people discuss the best guitarists of the grunge/alternative era, guys like Jerry Cantrell, Kim Thayil and Dean DeLeo seem to get more respect for their abilities than him. But he's certainly on their level when he tries.
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07-10-2018, 10:37 AM | #71 | |
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07-10-2018, 11:40 AM | #72 |
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Not every 90s guitarist can be Art Alexakis....
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07-10-2018, 12:29 PM | #73 |
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kurt wasn't able to make it into the melvins.
neither could b0lly, if he tried. |
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07-10-2018, 12:38 PM | #74 |
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Some of his solos on Siamese Dream are pretty amazing. He's good at bending notes.
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07-10-2018, 12:44 PM | #75 | |
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07-10-2018, 12:48 PM | #76 | |
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In 12 years of teaching, I’ve never witnessed anyone palm mute so hard they make it go out of tune. The issues I see people run into with that— palm muting so hard no sound comes out. |
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07-10-2018, 01:02 PM | #77 | |
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07-10-2018, 01:37 PM | #78 |
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Weird that he thinks that way, especially since he played so many great solos on Gish, Siamese Dream and Pisces.
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07-10-2018, 02:19 PM | #79 |
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I don't understand. Can pianists get guitar solos? Trombonists? Cellists?
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07-10-2018, 03:14 PM | #80 |
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I think it means that only the "guitarist" in the band (i.e. not the singer/guitarist) should play the solo. I guess that's why he let James play a lot of the solos from Mellon Collie forward. But now I guess he doesn't want him to do that anymore either since he said on Howard that they are "done" with guitar solos.
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07-10-2018, 03:30 PM | #81 |
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But James sings too.
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07-10-2018, 03:32 PM | #82 |
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I thought he meant only guitarists "really understand" guitar solos by saying "only guitarists get guitar solos"
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07-10-2018, 03:39 PM | #83 |
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07-10-2018, 03:41 PM | #84 |
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He coos and sighs.
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07-10-2018, 05:59 PM | #85 | |
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Of course, Billy is gaslighting you and they have solos flying in all over the place up until Adore. During the first 3 album era, I actually can't think of a bad or misplaced one off hand. (Please chime in if you can think of one). So many of those solos are really short and just buzz the tower: "Frail and Bedazzled" has a quick one that they probably pulled out of their ass but it rips. "Rocket" employs the same strategy and just keeps getting better as they keep doing it. "Snail" live was eventually just a showcase of the nonsense soloing that they could get away with so effortlessly (see Lost Tapes 'Snail'). Its kind of a shame they don't get recognized for it as much given that J. Mascis can live quite comfortably being a mediocre lead player compared to Billy. Fight me. |
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07-10-2018, 06:56 PM | #86 |
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07-10-2018, 09:27 PM | #87 |
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