Machina Reissue

[amoergosum]

By the way...this would have been interesting >>>

wow...10 years since the 'last' old SP break-up show...how time flies...i'll post some reflections on that show on here later today. hope everyone is having a GREAT day...going to the ocean now to say my prayers and make amends xo

first thing that comes to mind is that we only had about 6 days to prepare the about 14 or so extra songs that we added to try to make the show both historic and memorable. normally this much work in such a short time would have been met with resistance, but everyone was in good spirits to have the 11 months of touring finally over. my original plan was to book the metro out for the whole month of January and make one last album, writing songs and recording them live in rehearsal and then playing them at night at the 'shows'...can't remember how many shows we would have done per week? maybe 3 or 4. Iha+ Auf Der Maur hated the idea and said no.... a shame, could have been amazing. band was tight at that point and i was motivated to write more.

Source:
http://billycorgan.livejournal.com/45048.html

[ButterflyBullet]

Originally Posted by Billy Corgan

“I’m also not opposed to asking current artists to participate, singing songs as such on the compositions meant for other character’s voices,” Billy adds.

Don't you fucking dare. I've not waited this long for you to fix Machina only to make it worse.

[slunken]

Seriously

[amayain]

Originally Posted by ButterflyBullet

Don't you fucking dare. I've not waited this long for you to fix Machina only to make it worse.

That's what happens when you get your hopes up for a Billy project. Set your expectations as low as possible and... well... you'll still get disappointed, but less so.

[Funbags]

He's the alt rock George Lucas.

[Catherine Wheel]

He's also the Jim Morrison of Generation X

[Woody]

Originally Posted by ButterflyBullet

Don't you fucking dare. I've not waited this long for you to fix Machina only to make it worse.

And by "asking current artists to participate" he means Sierra Swan and Tommy Lee.

[ButterflyBullet]

Originally Posted by amayain

That's what happens when you get your hopes up for a Billy project. Set your expectations as low as possible and... well... you'll still get disappointed, but less so.

True, I was pleasantly surprised by TAFH.

Originally Posted by Woody

And by "asking current artists to participate" he means Sierra Swan and Tommy Lee.

Oh god no.

[Order 66]

everytime i listen to machina it just screams "unfinished" to me. i think this is the right route even though i'm highly skeptical he'll go through with all that

[Modern90's]

Originally Posted by pavementtune

I hate how he called himself W.P.C it is infuriating

[Shallowed]

MEMORABILIA MONDAYS: MACHINA 2 (25/25)

July 1, 2014



From Billy: "This true copy of the entire Machina 2 set was procured, as best as I can tell, by sale from the fan I'd sent it to; and is the copy from which the initial bootlegs were culled from. But as was custom to that era that same fan also betrayed other confidences by letting out other materials that I'd asked him to keep; costing in effect confidences from others far more innocent. Which explains the availability of certain materials, and how Machina 2 as a project did not come out sequentially as I'd asked.

There are other copies, of course, 24 of them, one of which is in the possession of my friend Robert Smith; who's music has inspired me so. And last I heard the Q101 copy (a local Chicago radio station) may be once more offered for sale. The last listing if I recall set at around 10,000$US.

Lastly, I look forward to reuniting Machina 1+2 next year, with which we'll probably offer this set as a reissue amongst other materials.

What "other materials" is he referring to? Machina II wasn't leaked the same time as anything else, was it?

[Ram27]

In the Arms of Sheep

[Ram27]

#topsecret

[magikarp99]

[Order 66]

thats some killer blotter duude

[juliana]

Do we know which fan he is talking about?

[D.]

rat bastard quinto

[redbull]

pretty sure its not quinto. "other materials" that were released likely refers to stuff like the FAEOMM tape and Machina acoustic demos...

[Rider]

Ahhh good old WPC nothing but grand over the top plans and nailing himself to the cross as he screams about his betrayers since 1994.

[Rider]

Oh and the Robert Smith name drop for no reason at all, just sends it over the top.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Rider

Oh and the Robert Smith name drop for no reason at all, just sends it over the top.

Seriously

[Rider]

I have this vision in my head of Robert Smith using his copy of Machina ii to prop up a shaky table.

I'd love to see one of those flash movies where Billy shows up at Robert Smiths house and it gets all awkward when Billy asks Robert where he keeps it.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Rider

I have this vision in my head of Robert Smith using his copy of Machina ii to prop up a shaky table.

I'd love to see one of those flash movies where Billy shows up at Robert Smiths house and it gets all awkward when Billy asks Robert where he keeps it.

"ummm yea mate its just ummmm uhhhhh... ...its right over ummmm... well i could have sworn i put it over.... well you see i recently had this redecorated and i umm..."

[slunken]

"also remember that time i phoned in vocals for that bee gees cover? what the fuck were we thinking?"

[Shallowed]

Originally Posted by redbull

pretty sure its not quinto. "other materials" that were released likely refers to stuff like the FAEOMM tape and Machina acoustic demos...

He instructed FAEOMM to be leaked though, didn't he? I don't think the acoustic demos were obtained or leaked with permission.

[Shallowed]

Fix the micropenis porblem Pakooler

[Shallowed]

wasn't too hard to find

Originally Posted by wpc33

The Machina acoustic demos has an interesting story behind it. Phil aka Mayfair aka Honeyspider told me over sushi one day a long time ago.

Some hockey player was pallin' 'round with Bolly in his big purple house. Billy gave the guy's kid a random cassette tape from a messy boxful of cassettes. Some sort of gift/gesture. The thing is, this kid didn't even like the Pumpkins. Here's where my memory gets hazy...Phil was friends with a friend of this kid. Phil's friend loved SP, and conspired to obtain this tape from the ingrate. This guy, is who leaked the cassette, although I think Phil helped a bit and wanted some credit, too, but alas, no.
/ramble

Kinda funny how Bill would hand a random tape of unreleased tracks to some kid, like anybody other than a fanatic or pro-bootlegger would care.

PS. I love the machina acoustic demos

Originally Posted by Starchildren

I was contacted about "some tape" that I should hear. This was after the whole Marked tapes fiasco.

Girl had this tape, had gotten it from a "hockey player". Said it was stuff that wasn't out there. She sent it to me, I gave it to Todd to rip. He put it out for everyone.

that's the story, as best as I can remember from like 9 years ago. God, I was in high school back then. Seems like forever ago.

[Rider]

Originally Posted by Shallowed

wasn't too hard to find

The hockey player part is accurate. The kid picking a random tape out of box is not the story I know.

They way I remember hearing it, the hockey player had a daughter who was a fan and Billy gave her the tape.

Knowing what we know about Billy I don't think there is anyway in hell he would ever just let someone grab a random tape out of his demos.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by juliana

Do we know which fan he is talking about?

well, don't they say it's number 25 (out of 25)? doesn't that give us a clue?
where's that list?

[Cool As Ice Cream]

StArSeEd> that's Q101's alright.
StArSeEd> WXRT's is 20
ninjaprsn> StArSeEd: where did you get the numbers from?
StArSeEd> dahl's is 23, agnew's is 24, asselin's is 25
StArSeEd> shanahan's is 8
StArSeEd> corgan sr's is 7
StArSeEd> matuzak's is 6
StArSeEd> flood's is 5