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Old 03-19-2017, 07:31 PM   #31
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He's actually about as prolific as David Bowie and as experimental, but I guess he isn't having a Madison Square Garden 50th birthday concert because he's been an arrogant dickhead a bit too much.

So he gets a bunch of hangers-on and d-listers giving him a shitty cake.

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:44 PM   #32
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He's actually about as prolific as David Bowie and as experimental...
Quantity ≠ Quality

At 50 years of age Billy hasn't learned that lesson. He's stuck in the 90s when bands were cramming as many songs on CD has possible because it was a selling point at the time. (See sticker on Metallica's Load album for reference to this).



And Bowie was a far better lyricist than Billy could ever hope to be. Bowie's worst lyric is better than Billy's best lyric (if there even is such a thing). And finally, at least Bowie was open to collaboration, even co-writing a number one hit with John Lennon (and Carlos Alomar) with "Fame".

Q: How many number one hits has Billy (co)written?

A: [/quote]

Maybe that's what the "Zero" on Billy's shirt meant back in the 90s :P

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:50 PM   #33
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are you saying it's better to co-write a #1 hit than to do it by yourself?

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:53 PM   #34
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are you saying it's better to co-write a #1 hit than to do it by yourself?
I'm saying it's better for your career to have been a part of a number one hit than not to.

Sometimes you have to recognize opportunities when they're there. That's what Bowie did.

Look at all the number one hits the Beatles had all of which (except for "Something") were listed as Lennon/McCartney co-writes. Does that diminish either of their respective contributions? Or make either less of a recognized songwriter?

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:05 PM   #35
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i thought everyone agreed by now that charts are basically total bullshit in terms of quality or merit

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:06 PM   #36
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Billy obviously has a hard time working with others. I don't think his ego would allow him to really create with another person. That said, he really doesn't need to. He's an amazing songwriter by himself. If you put him against Bowie, then sure, most people would say he doesn't measure up, but that's David Bowie. Corgan is a top notch songwriter when he wants to be.

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:06 PM   #37
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i thought everyone agreed by now that charts are basically total bullshit in terms of quality or merit
Even if that is the case it doesn't change the fact that Bowie's being open to collaboration improved the quality of his music without hurting his ego or artistic merit.

Besides, if Billy somehow wrote a number one hit we'd never hear the end of it from him. All of a sudden the charts wouldn't be such bullshit after that according to him.

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:12 PM   #38
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I think Corgan has written #1 hits in the 90's. Right? I could be wrong, but something had to have reached #1.

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:15 PM   #39
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I think Corgan has written #1 hits in the 90's. Right? I could be wrong, but something had to have reached #1.
Not on the Billboard Hot 100, the singles chart that actually matters.

SP only has had four top 40 singles, of which the highest charting song was "1979" which peaked at #12.

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:17 PM   #40
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Really? huh

Well who really gives a shit? The Spice Girls were probably #1 at that time because people are idiots.

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:19 PM   #41
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Well who really gives a shit? The Spice Girls were probably #1 at that time because people are idiots.
Lol.

My point was really that Bowie's output was greater than Billy's. That's all. :P

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:21 PM   #42
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There for a while Billy was pretty prolific. But in Billy's day the model was not to release an album or even two in a year like when Bowie got big in the 70's. It was record for a year, release the album, tour for a year or two, take a year off, record another album.

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:16 PM   #43
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He's actually about as prolific as David Bowie and as experimental, but I guess he isn't having a Madison Square Garden 50th birthday concert because he's been an arrogant dickhead a bit too much.

So he gets a bunch of hangers-on and d-listers giving him a shitty cake.
Not a shitty cake, a FISHY one:

"The Piscean Dream"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRxZ9h5lBZs/

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:31 PM   #44
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sasha grey on bass for the reunion
She could easily top D'arcy in her stage outfits:

https://www.vice.com/fr/article/fash...estrained-v2n5

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 10:18 PM   #45
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So was D'arcy there or nah

I'm guessing nah

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 10:25 PM   #46
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Quantity ≠ Quality
And Bowie was a far better lyricist than Billy could ever hope to be. Bowie's worst lyric is better than Billy's best lyric (if there even is such a thing). And finally, at least Bowie was open to collaboration, even co-writing a number one hit with John Lennon (and Carlos Alomar) with "Fame".

Q: How many number one hits has Billy (co)written?

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Sorry but I disagree. Billy has written many more good songs than Bowie did. Bowie was a singles artist at best who released extremely inconsistent albums (aside from his initial run in the early to mid 70's) and his output was almost total shit from 1980-1994. Lyrically, Billy has written some great stuff, Bowie wrote some great stuff. Both also wrote shit lyrics at times. It's a wash.

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:47 PM   #47
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Sorry but I disagree. Billy has written many more good songs than Bowie did. Bowie was a singles artist at best who released extremely inconsistent albums (aside from his initial run in the early to mid 70's) and his output was almost total shit from 1980-1994. Lyrically, Billy has written some great stuff, Bowie wrote some great stuff. Both also wrote shit lyrics at times. It's a wash.
Sorry, that statement's just comical.

Bowie might be hit or miss, but Billy's always been one of rock's worst lyricists.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:39 AM   #48
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I dunno, he's no Woody Guthrie or Thurston Moore but worst rock lyricist is a pretty big call

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:51 AM   #49
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Billy's always been one of rock's worst lyricists.
I'd agree with his post reunion material being horrid at best but he's wrote some truly powerful lyrics in his prime.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:18 AM   #50
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I'd agree with his post reunion material being horrid at best but he's wrote some truly powerful lyrics in his prime.
Idk... I think that there's a nostalgia factor or something in people wanting to defend his pre-reunion lyrics. Analyzing his early stuff it doesn't really hold water. There are certainly moments here and there, but as a whole during any period Billy's lyrical prowess has been suspect at best and horrid at worst.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:15 AM   #51
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Sorry, that statement's just comical.

Bowie might be hit or miss, but Billy's always been one of rock's worst lyricists.
You're completely wrong.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:29 AM   #52
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i'm pretty sure jelly blossom can't make a post without mentioning somewhere within it that billy's lyrics are shit

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:37 AM   #53
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Sorry but I disagree. Billy has written many more good songs than Bowie did. Bowie was a singles artist at best who released extremely inconsistent albums (aside from his initial run in the early to mid 70's) and his output was almost total shit from 1980-1994. Lyrically, Billy has written some great stuff, Bowie wrote some great stuff. Both also wrote shit lyrics at times. It's a wash.
To be fair, Corgan's output has been total shit from 2001-2017. During his "shit" phase, however, Bowie had a #1 (Let's Dance). I don't think Corgan has had a song even enter the charts in 20 years.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:23 AM   #54
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Even at his lowest shittiest points Bowie was filling stadiums and arenas.

It's kinda shocking how Billy can't even bring in nostalgia crowds.

Hell Def Leppard and Heart draw a bigger a crowd.

 
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The big problem with all the 90's acts is that they never embraced their celebrity because of some bullshit punk ethos that said they had to be all pissy all the time. Bowie was a lot of fun and loved being a superstar. He gave the fans what they wanted. Corgan and Vedder and Cobain had to be so dark and negative all the time that eventually when their music wasn't popular anymore people were like "Hey remember how much fun going to see Bon Jovi was? The music was cheezy but it was a fun time." Nobody associates the Smashing Pumpkins with anything fun or positive in their lives.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:43 AM   #56
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He's actually about as prolific as David Bowie and as experimental, but I guess he isn't having a Madison Square Garden 50th birthday concert because he's been an arrogant dickhead a bit too much.

So he gets a bunch of hangers-on and d-listers giving him a shitty cake.
eeeyup.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 12:52 PM   #57
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what about beethoven?

Beethoven X Billy Corgan, who had more number 1 hits?

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:59 PM   #58
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what about beethoven?

Beethoven X Billy Corgan, who had more number 1 hits?
That's easy: Beethoven

A disco rendition of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony titled "A Fifth of Beethoven" reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100 in 1976.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fifth_of_Beethoven

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:35 PM   #59
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Charts Billboard 200

1
Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness
2
Zeitgeist
2
Adore
3
Machina/The Machines Of God
4
Oceania
4
Pisces Iscariot
10
Siamese Dream
31
{Rotten Apples} Greatest Hits
33
Monuments To An Elegy


alternate song
1
1979
2
Tarantula
2
Stand Inside Your Love
2
Thirty-Three
2
Bullet With Butterfly Wings
3
Perfect
3
Ava Adore
3
Landslide
4
The Everlasting Gaze
4
The End Is The Beginning Is The End
4
Today
5
Tonight, Tonight
7
Cherub Rock
8
Eye
8
Muzzle
8
Disarm
9
Zero
11
G.L.O.W.
23
That's The Way (My Love Is)
24
Drown
27
Freak
27
Rhinoceros
29
The Celestials


thats not so bad




"Nobody associates the Smashing Pumpkins with anything fun or positive in their lives. "

listen the smashing pumpkins are fun

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:57 PM   #60
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goddamn Sasha's still hot.

I bet airplane mode was happy she was invited.

 
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