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Old 11-20-2016, 08:10 AM   #1
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:18 AM   #2
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There are three groups that Trump fascists have vowed to persecute immediately

1. Muslims - A Muslim registry is proposed. One of Trump's appointments has been quoted as saying that Islam is not a religion, it is a political ideology

2. Mexicans undocumented - 3 million to be immediately arrested

3. The media, free press - Trump and his surrogates have repeatedly said that they would target everything from the NYT to individual journalists

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:43 AM   #3
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Japanese internment camps as precedent for Muslim Registry

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...p-backer-says/

Trump to immediately deport 3 million "criminals." except there aren't three million criminals to deport

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-deport...records-520604

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 11:13 AM   #4
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Conservos be like:

"Haha ha all you guys are overreacting. Trump probably won't do all the shit he said despite the fact that he said he'd do it. We should give him the benefit of the doubt. Have you ever considered that we should put our faith in people of immense power instead of just being negative Nancys all the time?"

"Who cares if Obama never said anything remotely indicating he has any intention to do any of these things, I still think he is a Kenyan Muslim atheist Muslim who's going to take all our guns away and install Sharia Communism!"

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 11:51 AM   #5
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lol just wait and see maybe he won't be that bad

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:30 PM   #6
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Rules for surviving an autocracy

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11...-for-survival/

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Rule #1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization. This will happen often: humans seem to have evolved to practice denial when confronted publicly with the unacceptable.

Rule #2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.

Rule #3: Institutions will not save you.

Rule #4: Be outraged. If you follow Rule #1 and believe what the autocrat-elect is saying, you will not be surprised. But in the face of the impulse to normalize, it is essential to maintain one’s capacity for shock. This will lead people to call you unreasonable and hysterical, and to accuse you of overreacting. It is no fun to be the only hysterical person in the room. Prepare yourself.

Rule #5: Don’t make compromises. Like Ted Cruz, who made the journey from calling Trump “utterly amoral” and a “pathological liar” to endorsing him in late September to praising his win as an “amazing victory for the American worker,” Republican politicians have fallen into line.


Rule #6: Remember the future

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:32 PM   #7
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Rule number one. believe the autocrat. When they say they're going to arrest 3 million people take them at their word.

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 04:43 PM   #8
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Old 11-20-2016, 04:46 PM   #9
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bow down and lick your master's boots

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 04:47 PM   #10
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White people will be ok, though, right?

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 05:18 PM   #11
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white men are always ok

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Old 11-20-2016, 05:23 PM   #12
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Old 11-20-2016, 06:22 PM   #13
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Is he going to need to pass laws for this stuff, or is there some way for him to just make it happen, outside of the legislature.

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 06:59 PM   #14
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Once he dissolves the Congress, he'll be able to do anything he wants. If I were that Jew guy in the meme scotty posted, I wouldn't be so cavalier about putting my name on a Muslim list. The Death Squad that came by the house tonight was only looking for ragheads, but tomorrow it could be jews or blacks, so I wouldn't try to provoke them if I was he.

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 07:37 PM   #15
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Is he going to need to pass laws for this stuff, or is there some way for him to just make it happen, outside of the legislature.
He wouldn't need a law to start rounding up Latinos. It could be done using the current Immigration and Customs Enforcement structure. ICE already under Obama has been arresting and deporting 300k-400k people per year.

The problem with his claim that he'd deport 3,000,000 "criminals" is that even by the loosest of standards for what a "criminal" (like expired visas) is there are much less than 1 million people who would fall into that category. But Trump has been telling his followers that there are millions of such wicked criminals.

There are legal standards here for deporting people. There are processes that need to be followed. If Trump makes good on his word he would need to break those legal standards. He might be able to get away with it if he did it rather quickly so that legal challenges in the courts wouldn't be able to stop it.


In terms of the Muslim Registry and Immigration. Yes, he could effectively stop Muslims from emigrating without a new law. They could put so many restrictions in place and slow down the immigration process that almost no one could ever make it in. The registry they talk about would probably only be for immigrants, there is no legal mechanism today for such a registry of citizens.

in terms of the media, Trump is already fucking with them. He's completely dispensed with all of the traditional press details that our presidents follow, like allowing the major news organizations follow the president around. He has a life long history of suing journalists and going after magazines, newspapers, etc. And it's been rumored for a while now that he is planning to start his own Television News channel.

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 07:44 PM   #16
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Scotty, In time you'll learn to respect and look up to the president.

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 07:47 PM   #17
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and in time you'll learn to get over the loss that the pant-suited buffoon who you constantly fawned over endured.

Trump 2016: Deal with it

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:41 PM   #18
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He wouldn't need a law to start rounding up Latinos. It could be done using the current Immigration and Customs Enforcement structure. ICE already under Obama has been arresting and deporting 300k-400k people per year.

The problem with his claim that he'd deport 3,000,000 "criminals" is that even by the loosest of standards for what a "criminal" (like expired visas) is there are much less than 1 million people who would fall into that category. But Trump has been telling his followers that there are millions of such wicked criminals.
That's really interesting, I didn't know that.

I just read that during Obama's tenure, his deportation numbers might be around 3.2 million - so if Trump is planning to deport that many over a presumed 8 year tenure, he'd just be continuing the same numbers as Obama?

Not that I'm presuming he'll be in office for eight years. But if he spins things that way in the media, it wouldn't exactly require any extra effort on his part.

I didn't realise that.

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 09:39 PM   #20
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That's really interesting, I didn't know that.

I just read that during Obama's tenure, his deportation numbers might be around 3.2 million - so if Trump is planning to deport that many over a presumed 8 year tenure, he'd just be continuing the same numbers as Obama?

Not that I'm presuming he'll be in office for eight years. But if he spins things that way in the media, it wouldn't exactly require any extra effort on his part.

I didn't realise that.

Well, not quite. Trump is claiming there are millions of foreign criminals here in the country right now. He's been saying Obama didn't do anything at all. Trump and other republicans claim that Democrats use these millions of "illegal" people to vote in elections and steal elections. He did not promise to deport people over eight years. He promised to do it immediately.

The problem with that is the USA doesn't have the infrastructure or manpower to round up millions of people. We don't have a legal framework for that. If they actually attempt to do it they'll end up breaking a pile of laws and probably wrongly detaining and deporting countless people.

 
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Not to mention that a bunch of "illegals" were brought to the United States as minors and have English as their first language, go to American schools, and are essentially just American kids. For this group, the Obama Administration halted the deportation process with their cooperation. Now the people who willingly gave their information to the government may have that information used against them to identify them and deport them.

The deportations aren't even cost-effective, and would cost $10,000 per person. If one is aware of these costs, and is aware of the fact that immigrants tend to engage in less crime than the native population, one would realize there is little reason to deport them and providing a pathway to citizenship is the most sensible policy. The only ones that need to be found and deported are the ones who pose a security risk, and that is a very small minority.

I mean, secure your borders all you want (so long as it's not with a fucking $12 billion wall, though the fact that many of the "illegals" are actually asylum-seekers that are fleeing U.S. backed political violence in the Honduras is pretty awful), but if one is aware of the reality of the undocumented immigrants already in the country, one's only motivation for sending them back would be the sentiment that they pose a threat to the country's ethnic identity. I think that most Americans are good people and would not want to deport them all if they were aware and weren't being fed untruths about these people being rapists who are stealing their jobs.

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 11:42 PM   #22
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Obama's policy was to deport people with criminal records mostly. Like in many areas, he took this dual approach of continuing hardline Bush positions while attempting to reform the overall system through standard means (the legislature), which was a tactic that mostly backfired on him.

No one has any idea wtf Trump is going to do. Yeah, his rhetoric is basically that Obama did nothing and that's what most Republicans believe despite Obama being one of the most hardline immigration presidents in history.

 
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Old 11-20-2016, 11:48 PM   #23
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Obama deported almost more people in his first six years than all the previous presidents combined.

 
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Old 11-21-2016, 07:56 AM   #24
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Listen to all these whiners bitching about the president enforcing immigration laws. It's his job dumbasses.

 
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Actually it was just explained that many of the required methods would indeed be illegal

 
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Old 11-21-2016, 01:51 PM   #26
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poots doesn't care, he is a fascist

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ok why not? might as well make the best of it. I'm not going on some list because I spoke out for some mexicans or muslims. That's they own look out.

 
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one reason Germans didn't think the Nazis were a threat was that their leadership were a bunch of people who would otherwise be considered losers, failures. How could they be a real threat? But they were.

 
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