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Old 08-02-2019, 08:26 AM   #1
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Default Do you honor the Machina II LP track list and order?

When I first downloaded this years ago, I got all of the files from archive.org. None of them were organized according to LP or EP and I just moved them around in an iTunes playlist in the order that seemed most flowable. Over the years I deleted some of them and had them all in a "Machina II" folder.

Now I go to re-download and the original LP sequencing I think is really good and surprises me. I was just wondering if people listened to the LP as an LP (without adding Slow Dawn or Vanity, etc.) or whether everyone here just listens to self-made Frankenstein Machinas rather than the original. I assume that many assume that the LP track list/order is arbitrary...
Also, do you consider the EP tracks as EPs or just as unorganized LP material?

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Old 08-02-2019, 08:41 AM   #2
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Default ULTIMATE MACHINA PLAYSLIST

BSBT (SPACEY)
BSBT (RAWK)
BSBT (ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION VERSION)
BSBT (MACHINA DEMO 1)
BSBT (MACHINA DEMO 2)
BSBT (MACHINA DEMO 3)
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Old 08-02-2019, 08:54 AM   #3
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BSBT (SPACEY)
BSBT (RAWK)
BSBT (ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION VERSION)
BSBT (MACHINA DEMO 1)
BSBT (MACHINA DEMO 2)
BSBT (MACHINA DEMO 3)
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:03 AM   #4
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I listen to EPs 1, 2 and 3, then the LPs.

 
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:23 AM   #5
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Splendid punctuation, Shallowed! Keep up the good work!

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Old 08-02-2019, 09:23 AM   #6
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Could someone at Corgan's next Q&A on Instagram post a link to this thread and ask him, when he finally gets the reissue done for it to come out...?

 
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Old 08-02-2019, 01:32 PM   #7
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i listen to the EPs occasionally, but when i think of Machina II i specifically think of the LP—& i don't find it arbitrary, it's a pretty good song order

 
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Old 08-02-2019, 04:36 PM   #8
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I used to, but these days I have my own combined MI and MII playlist. The more I listen to various live performances and with Billiam basically confirming much of what's on there is demo-quality material, I feel way less inclined to listen to it on its own more than very occasionally and out of nostalgia.

 
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Old 08-02-2019, 04:42 PM   #9
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the one i think is most demo-y is Try Try Try, tbh

and i say that as a fan of the song

 
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Old 08-02-2019, 05:02 PM   #10
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Try Machina II >>> Try Machina I

 
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Old 08-02-2019, 05:15 PM   #11
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both have elements i love but i'm still kinda a sucker for the M1 version
the drum sound of MII's, for instance, i prefer. but i like the general structure & lyrics of MI's more

 
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Old 08-02-2019, 05:34 PM   #12
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weeeooo weeeooooo
weeeooo weeeooooo
weeeooo weeeooooo
weeeooo weeeooooo

Can't stand the MII version.

Also the version of HMM on MII sounds like some weird unfinished drum machine experiment, Deux Machina's basically a synth outtake, Atom Bomb exists in a better form on the Try single. In My Body live had this guitar arpeggio that wasn't present on MII, Real Love and White Spyder are all ear-rapey, etc. The more I listen to it nowadays the more of a loose collection of works-in-progress it feels. Part of the charm though of course.

I honestly find there are fewer songs that sound really fleshed out, like Lucky 13 or Dross.

 
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:15 PM   #13
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I have LP 1, 2, 3 in order as Disc 1, then LP4 as Disc 2 in iTunes

I have MCIS as the vinyl order

I don't really think of M2 as an album really, kinda just a wonky collection of weird tracks from the era. Sort of like a less refined PI

 
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:32 PM   #14
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I don't really listen to any albums start to finish anymore, just on shuffle, or select songs in a bigger playlist.

but I think of cr04 as being the album and correct tracklist running order.

 
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:48 PM   #15
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Could someone at Corgan's next Q&A on Instagram post a link to this thread and ask him, when he finally gets the reissue done for it to come out...?
i might be interested in hearing what 2001 or 2002 WPC had to say on this
i have no interest in hearing the WPC 2019 Mix, either the order or the remastering

 
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Old 08-03-2019, 05:33 PM   #16
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For me the album starts with Slow Dawn and always will. I won't honor any diff tracklist Corgo puts together on the reissue.

 
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Old 08-04-2019, 02:59 AM   #17
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For me the album starts with Slow Dawn and always will. I won't honor any diff tracklist Corgo puts together on the reissue.
Just got off the phone with Bill. Can confirm that Slow Dawn has been COUGARED.

 
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:24 AM   #18
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:18 AM   #19
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Sounds like that kind of thing would just turn out to be some self-important bullshit.

Honestly, a waste of my time.

 
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:20 AM   #20
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I dishonour it

 
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Old 08-07-2019, 10:37 AM   #21
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I did not like try try try especially but when Billy replay it again I was happy to hear it again

 
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Old 08-07-2019, 02:19 PM   #22
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For me the album starts with Slow Dawn and always will. I won't honor any diff tracklist Corgo puts together on the reissue.
Yeah imo slow dawns the best opener. Itís emblematic of the gauzy hiss, the muddy chug of mii

 
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Old 08-07-2019, 08:31 PM   #24
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Old 08-07-2019, 08:33 PM   #25
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so for you Slow Dawn people, are you saying you consider the order CR01, CR02, CR03, CR04, or just that you pretend CR04 begins with Slow Dawn?

So your version of the LP is to put the EPs in front?

 
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so for you Slow Dawn people, are you saying you consider the order CR01, CR02, CR03, CR04, or just that you pretend CR04 begins with Slow Dawn?

So your version of the LP is to put the EPs in front?
Yeah

And then, like

Keep a finger on the god damn skip button, is all

And wallah

 
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:08 AM   #27
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it's a groundbreaking album with no definitive tracklisting.

 
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:12 AM   #28
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I guess another thing to note would be the EP's having a bit looser mixing/post-production compared to the LP

The LP may get pretty lo-fi but it usually sounds intentional, with the EP's it sounds more like leaked recordings or something that we weren't quite supposed to hear, except this time it was the band doing the leaking (took to thread, etc etc) - aka the kind of thing the band would probably greatly benefit from doing now

 
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Old 08-08-2019, 12:56 PM   #29
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please xpan
it sucks, duuuude, no matter what order you play it

 
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Old 08-08-2019, 01:13 PM   #30
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does that mean yer gonna sell yer Machina shirts???

 
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