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Old 08-23-2018, 11:41 AM   #1
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Default Ranking the SP2 Singles: Where Does Solara Stack Up?

Where would you rank Solara among the singles Billy has put out since sort of putting the band back together? I just looked it up and I was surprised to see that they had designated a LOT of songs as singles since Zeitgeist.

I think I'd rank them as follows:

Tarantula
Panopticon
GLOW
Solara
The Celestials
That's the Way
Doomsday Clock
Drum + Fife
One and All
Being Beige
Freak
Owata
Superchrist
Widow Wake My Mind



Also, it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference, but why the hell wasn't "Tiberius" released as a single? It's arguably better than the rest of the tracks on Monuments and would have certainly been a better lead single than Being Beige.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 11:49 AM   #2
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Run2Me got a video... surely that must make it some sort of single. Really I find it hard to consider many of these singles in the YouTube/streaming era.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 11:57 AM   #3
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Old 08-23-2018, 11:59 AM   #4
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Tarantula is the best and Widow Wake My Mind is the worst. beyond that... I dunno, I can't even remember what some of these songs sound like. the Teargarden shit and Monuments is just a blur to me

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 11:59 AM   #5
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That's the Way
Tarantula
Doomsday Clock
One and All
Drum + Fife
Freak
Superchrist
GLOW
Panopticon
The Celestials
Widow Wake My Mind
Being Beige
Solara
Owata

Some of these songs were hard to rank on the basis that I simply don't give a shit about them one way or another - I actually had to look up Panopticon just to remember what it sounded like. Surprisingly strong track outside of the context of the album (more specifically, the context of coming right after Quasar) so it ended up jumping up a few spots

SP2 ain't that bad after all, I guess

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:01 PM   #6
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I guess we're not counting Feelala?

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:11 PM   #7
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I just can't wait for 20 more years when we can have an SP2 reunion tour and hear 3 hours of these songs

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:12 PM   #8
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From a 70 yr old Billbo, no less!

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:14 PM   #9
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SP2 ain't that bad after all, I guess
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:16 PM   #10
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:17 PM   #11
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I actually had to look up Panopticon just to remember what it sounded like. Surprisingly strong track outside of the context of the album (more specifically, the context of coming right after Quasar) so it ended up jumping up a few spots
Panopticon sounded amazing when they premiered it live. Studio version sounds dead and boring to me, but I was extremely excited for it before the album was released

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:45 PM   #12
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[Insert SP2 song] sounded amazing when they premiered it live. Studio version sounds dead and boring to me, but I was extremely excited for it before the album was released
Fixed it.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:59 PM   #13
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Fixed it.
To be fair this was also an SP1 issue. I don't think there was a fan alive who thought Machina held a candle to the Arising tour versions.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:02 PM   #14
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Fixed it.
there are actually very few SP2 songs I would say this about. They generally sound better live, but I wouldn't say most of them sounded "good," haha.

Hearing Panopticon when they first played it in fall 2011 or whatever got me excited in a way I have not been since, for sure, after accepting Billy is literally a terrible, terrible producer and will ruin anything in the studio even if it's a great song

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:21 PM   #15
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I forgot Run2Me had a video. I guess that makes it a single too. As for FOL... was that considered a single? I mean, it was never available for download to my knowledge and it wasn't part of any album. Anyway, here's a revised list:

Tarantula
Panopticon
GLOW
Solara
The Celestials
That's the Way
Doomsday Clock
Drum + Fife
One and All
Being Beige
Freak
Owata
Run2Me
Superchrist
Widow Wake My Mind


Also, I agree that it's difficult to rank most of these aside from Tarantula and Widow Wanker. Most of them aren't outright bad, they're just... mediocre. I do like Panopticon a lot though.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:00 PM   #16
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there are actually very few SP2 songs I would say this about. They generally sound better live, but I wouldn't say most of them sounded "good," haha.

Hearing Panopticon when they first played it in fall 2011 or whatever got me excited in a way I have not been since, for sure, after accepting Billy is literally a terrible, terrible producer and will ruin anything in the studio even if it's a great song
Fair enough

One of my friends saw them in 2011 in Boston. I remember him calling me after the show screaming, "they're back dude. These new songs sound like Silverfuck or Geek U.S.A." That actually reignited my interest in TbK/Oceania a little. Then, Quasar ended up being my least favorite SP song of all time.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:26 PM   #17
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Astral Planes and The Fellowship?

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:34 PM   #18
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Were those considered singles?

Either way, I refuse to acknowledge that there is a song in the SP catalogue called "Astral Planes." I don't believe this song exists, and I'm sure that EVERYONE EVERYONE will agree with me.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:46 PM   #19
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It's the best one since Tarantula. I guess that's something. The style is really repetitive and simple like most of the post MCIS stuff and especially the post 2007 stuff. It's better than the Monuments stuff due to Jimmy alone and better than Oceania for the same reason. I'd like to hear a Violet Rays or Tiberius kind of song with Jimmy and especially James. Along with Bleeding the Orchid those are the only 3 songs from the last 11 years I can say are good.

One thing that's really obvious now relative to the last 18 years is the stabilizing effect James has on the band. I'd be really interested in hearing what they can record together.

TBK is a dumpster fire and I don't acknowledge its existence.

A lot of specific things would need to happen to get some or even one genuinely good song/s from this iteration of the band:

1) Billy needs to not fuck up the production I. E. burying the drums in the mix, layering million Billy choirs, mixing the vocals too high, and just general overproduction and studio fucker, also choosing shitty arrangements (see Raindrops and Sunshowers vs the outtake version). Chances not high here as he's fucked basically everything after Adore in this way.

2) Let James take a stab at having some creative input. It's blatantly obvious at this point how crucial he was to the signature sound of the band, the swirling shoegaze wall of guitars with varied melodies. That has been mostly absent since 2007.

3) Actually write an interesting song consisting of more than a few chords and using the low E string as a chugging, droning bore... write some fucking melodies. Again, chances not high here... see Zeitgeist onward. Oceania was sort of a step in the right direction but suffers from lack of Jim and #1 above

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Old 08-23-2018, 03:56 PM   #20
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Fun challenge - queue these 3 up at a party and get to the end without intervention. Would literally be impossible.

Owata
Widow Wake My Mind
Run2Me

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:00 PM   #21
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Yeah, TBK makes me embarrassed to be an SP fan. Even though there are some tracks there that I don't mind, the whole thing in and of itself just felt like a vanity project.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:13 PM   #22
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im not going to listen to these turds again so this is just from memory

Tarantula
The Celestials
Solara
Panopticon
One and All
That's the Way
Freak
Drum + Fife
Superchrist
Doomsday Clock
Being Beige
GLOW
Run2Me
Owata
Widow Wake My Mind

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:19 PM   #23
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I'm not suggesting anyone do this but do you think it would be possible to piece together a really good album by taking songs from each of SP2's releases? Not something that is Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie quality obviously, but hypothetically if Bill had not released anything until now and had all of those tracks to choose from, do you think it's possible that he could have crafted a great album?

Of course, if that happened, we all know that the album would probably feature the WORST songs of each release, because Billy has horrible taste when it comes to his own material.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:39 PM   #24
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Tarantula
That's the Way
Panopticon
Superchrist
GLOW
Solara
One and All
The Celestials
Drum + Fife
FEELALO
Doomsday Clock
Being Beige
Freak
Owata
Widow Wake My Mind


...I'll never get these last three minutes back

 
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I'm not suggesting anyone do this but do you think it would be possible to piece together a really good album by taking songs from each of SP2's releases? Not something that is Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie quality obviously, but hypothetically if Bill had not released anything until now and had all of those tracks to choose from, do you think it's possible that he could have crafted a great album?

Of course, if that happened, we all know that the album would probably feature the WORST songs of each release, because Billy has horrible taste when it comes to his own material.
sure.

not going to put them in order but you could use

tarantula
neverlost
starz
that's the way
death from above (fuck u h8ters)
stellar
sunkissed
tom tom
a stitch in time
the celestials
panopticon
pale horse
pinwheels
drum + fife
solara

wouldn't be a bad album.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:46 PM   #26
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it's a list of shitty songs no matter what order you put them in.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:03 PM   #27
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One thing is clear: Solara is not as bad as it initially seemed when you stack it with the last 10 years.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:24 PM   #28
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Tarantula
Superchrist (10 years later, I finally appreciate/love this song)
The Celestials
Drum + Fife
The Rose March (was it a single? Oh well)
Doomsday Clock
Song For A Son
That's The Way (My Love Is)
Freak
Solara
Panopticon
One and All
Run 2 Me (this song is really starting to cross into the so bad it's good territory for me)
FOL
Widow
Owata
G.L.O.W (no matter how many times I listen to this song, I can not remember it all)
Being Beige (till I'm ready on (insert day here) has to be Billy's worst lyrics)

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:51 PM   #29
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Where would you rank Solara among the singles Billy has put out since sort of putting the band back together? I just looked it up and I was surprised to see that they had designated a LOT of songs as singles since Zeitgeist.

I think I'd rank them as follows:

Tarantula
Panopticon
GLOW
Solara
The Celestials
That's the Way
Doomsday Clock
Drum + Fife
One and All
Being Beige
Freak
Owata
Superchrist
Widow Wake My Mind



Also, it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference, but why the hell wasn't "Tiberius" released as a single? It's arguably better than the rest of the tracks on Monuments and would have certainly been a better lead single than Being Beige.
Imagine this as a "greatest hits" album

 
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it's a list of shitty songs no matter what order you put them in.

 
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