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Old 08-05-2018, 05:48 PM   #781
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But Jones speculating about a public tragedy is by no means illegal. I think he's going to win those cases in court.

It's gonna set an awful precedent if Youtube and Facebook start banning and censoring any political views that they don't agree with... I'm hoping it just sets up an opportunity for some other platform to come out and take advantage.

Jones got a strike on Youtube for literally showing a clip that was featured on ABC news of some guy pushing down a little kid... So ABC can show it but Alex gets banned if he does? Facebook has also been flagging posts of his as "fake" when it was actually a quote from a UN report...

You might not like the guy, but the way they're going after him is bogus and unjust.
there are also limits to freedom of speech. the freedom to not be censored is not infinite, nor should it be. if you libel or slander someone, or propagate a belief which can cause material harm, or makes a threat of violence, etc., those kinds of speech are not protected. I have no idea if Jones will win his court case, but what he did specifically in reference to Sandy Hook is malicious, cruel, and intentional in its agenda to stir sensation through its moral depravity. Even you should be able to recognize how evil it is, but you just don't apply the same set of rules to people you consider to be on your side.

 
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Old 08-05-2018, 05:49 PM   #782
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also the government is not going after him. people just want him to shut the fuck up. so when you say "they" you aren't referring to some shadowy puppetmaster cabal, you are referring to how most of the public feels.

 
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Old 08-05-2018, 06:00 PM   #783
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Why is it that the same people who think that private companies should have complete freedom to do whatever the hell they want also want companies like Twitter and YouTube to be forced to host anyone that violates their terms of service?

 
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Old 08-05-2018, 07:41 PM   #784
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The fact is that they don't wanna ban him for breaking any rules, they wanna ban him because he's become too influential and important politically... No way in hell Trump wins the election if Alex and his community of listeners didn't support him. The liberals now realize that he's a powerful force.

The government and the shadowy power plays have immense influence in the media and it's clear they've put the word out to the social media conglomerates. You don't have all social media outlets joining together to simultaneously ban such a popular figure if there wasn't some demand from some powerful people.

 
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Old 08-05-2018, 07:44 PM   #785
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watch that video clip that I posted with Randazza. He was a CNN contributor and has wrote articles for their website. He's a super liberal guy and he thinks it's bullshit what they're doing to Alex. Apparently CNN wants nothing to do with him now that he's representing Jones...

CNN was apparently one of the main companies stirring the pot with Youtube regarding censoring Jones.. Now why do you think that would be? They're trying to squash their competition.

 
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Old 08-05-2018, 08:27 PM   #786
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The fact is that they don't wanna ban him for breaking any rules, they wanna ban him because he's become too influential and important politically... No way in hell Trump wins the election if Alex and his community of listeners didn't support him. The liberals now realize that he's a powerful force.
The government and the shadowy power plays have immense influence in the media and it's clear they've put the word out to the social media conglomerates. You don't have all social media outlets joining together to simultaneously ban such a popular figure if there wasn't some demand from some powerful people.
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watch that video clip that I posted with Randazza. He was a CNN contributor and has wrote articles for their website. He's a super liberal guy and he thinks it's bullshit what they're doing to Alex. Apparently CNN wants nothing to do with him now that he's representing Jones...

CNN was apparently one of the main companies stirring the pot with Youtube regarding censoring Jones.. Now why do you think that would be? They're trying to squash their competition.
as we have noted in the past, "super liberal" to you could be anyone to the left of Trump, who is a far, far right winger, as are you.

 
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Old 08-05-2018, 08:44 PM   #787
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Republicans: businesses shouldn't be forced to serve gay people if they don't wanna; they have the right to decide with whom they enter transactions and contracts; don't force us to make cakes for gays!

Also Republicans: HOW DARE A PRIVATE COMPANY NOT PROVIDE A PLATFORM FOR WHATEVER I WANT TO SAY? TWITTER SHOULD BE OBLIGATED TO HOST MY RACIST CONSPIRACY THEORIES! GOVERNMENT, MAKE TWITTER LET ME SAY STUFF ON IT!

 
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Old 08-05-2018, 08:47 PM   #788
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Old 08-06-2018, 06:33 AM   #789
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Republicans: businesses shouldn't be forced to serve gay people if they don't wanna; they have the right to decide with whom they enter transactions and contracts; don't force us to make cakes for gays!

Also Republicans: HOW DARE A PRIVATE COMPANY NOT PROVIDE A PLATFORM FOR WHATEVER I WANT TO SAY? TWITTER SHOULD BE OBLIGATED TO HOST MY RACIST CONSPIRACY THEORIES! GOVERNMENT, MAKE TWITTER LET ME SAY STUFF ON IT!
I agree with this for the most part but how is any of his (retarded) rhetoric racist? I've never actually seen the dude endorse racism or anti-semitism, either.

 
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Old 08-06-2018, 06:56 AM   #790
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The guys a conspiracy theorist. He's gonna look for the conspiracy in things.
that doesn't make it ok, fuzzy.

"he's a racist. he's going to discriminate against black people. i don't know why this is so hard to understand."

"he's a serial killer. he's going to kill a lot of people. this is what he does. i don't know why people find this so difficult to grasp."

 
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Old 08-06-2018, 07:00 AM   #791
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sandy hook parents are being stalked by alex jones "followers".
alex jones being a conspiracy theorist (inventing bullshit is what he does), doesn't leave him off the hook. he caused this situation.
you agree he has a lot of power. then you can easily see this as abuse of power. it's a bit lame to then hide behind "just stating an opinion on the radio" and putting the blame with the people you've been lying to.

 
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:08 AM   #792
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:57 AM   #793
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:42 AM   #794
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:52 AM   #795
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Congratulations. Freedom of speach is now abolished. Sharia law to be installed any minute now.

 
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Old 08-06-2018, 12:15 PM   #796
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...that is unfortunate.

Seriously, I dislike Jones and what him and InfoWars have become, but to remove all of their content from the internet is a very dangerous thing to do. At this point right leaning people and conservatives are constantly bering censored and their content is being demonetized. If you don't like Jones, then don't listen to his stuff, simple. It's their loss if they lose followers. But to censor them, however, is a terrible thing to do, and it shows you've something to hide. Censorship in general is bad, doesn't matter if it's the political right or left. The only time these peoples' content should be taken down is when they actively call for violence against certain people, which Jones hasn't done, as far as I know.

Jones is a conspiracy theorist, nothing more. At least let people have a platform, no matter how ridiculous their ideas. If they're really that stupid, no one will listen. Simple.

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Republicans: businesses shouldn't be forced to serve gay people if they don't wanna; they have the right to decide with whom they enter transactions and contracts; don't force us to make cakes for gays!

Also Republicans: HOW DARE A PRIVATE COMPANY NOT PROVIDE A PLATFORM FOR WHATEVER I WANT TO SAY? TWITTER SHOULD BE OBLIGATED TO HOST MY RACIST CONSPIRACY THEORIES! GOVERNMENT, MAKE TWITTER LET ME SAY STUFF ON IT!
I think this is somewhat hypocritical. For instance,

Democrats: businesses should be forced to serve gay people and the public in general; they should be accepting and tolerant of all backgrounds

Also Democrats: BAN THIS MAN AND DON'T GIVE HIM A PLATFORM TO SPEAK, FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND TOLERANCE IS OKAY AS LONG AS I AGREE WITH THE IDEAS THAT IT PROMOTES OR GIVES A PLATFORM TO

just saying, plenty of hypocrisy to be found on both sides.

 
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Old 08-06-2018, 12:21 PM   #797
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I think it's fair to point out that CNN and other major traditional media outlets going after internet social media platforms (their major competition) to get them to remove certain content hasn't only been targetting the actual insane wignuts, but non-extremist independent media that criticizes the establishment, as well. CNN labelled Jimmy Dore an "extreme leftist," conspiracy theorist, and "left-wing equivalent of Alex Jones," none of those things he is.

It is reasonable to look at mainstream media's push against certain outlets with suspicion, but not just because you're afraid Twitter is going to stop letting Alex Jones claim that hordes of refugees are bringing plagues and rape with them.

 
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Old 08-06-2018, 12:28 PM   #798
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Old 08-06-2018, 12:29 PM   #799
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Appeals to tolerate intolerance are never made in good faith and should not be treated with any form of respect. It's just basic alt right propaganda/trolling.

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Appeals to tolerate intolerance are never made in good faith and should be treated with any form of respect. It's just basic alt right propaganda/trolling.
How is literally anything here alt-right? I've spoken with a LOT of people from the alt right (and the far left), and Jones and his followers are nothing like them. Calling anyone further right than you "alt right" is something SJWs do, it's really not a good argument. The left spouts a LOT of propaganda too, just saying. The point I'm trying to make is that there's more to it than just left, or as you said, "alt right".

 
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probably safe to say that people who don't think AJ and his followers are alt-right and use the term 'sjw' unironically are alt-right

 
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...that is unfortunate.

Seriously, I dislike Jones and what him and InfoWars have become, but to remove all of their content from the internet is a very dangerous thing to do. At this point right leaning people and conservatives are constantly bering censored and their content is being demonetized.
lol

poor extreme right-wingers that are constantly censored. Now they have only just the MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE COUNTRY behind them, what will become of them?

 
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probably safe to say that people who don't think AJ and his followers are alt-right and use the term 'sjw' unironically are alt-right
do you people discuss actual ideas or do you just throw around meaningless labels?

The alt-right includes neo-nazis, racists and fascists. The InfoWars website and subreddit clearly mention that they do not tolerate racism and anti-semitism. I'm not even objectively wrong here. How do they fall within the definition of """alt right"""?

 
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you're acting like those poor hate preachers are being banned everywhere; it's just companies that decide AJ can't use their platform anymore, and rightfully so

 
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do you people discuss actual ideas or do you just throw around meaningless labels?
wtf

i quoted your own words


what was your previous username

 
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poor extreme right-wingers that are constantly censored. Now they have only just the MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE COUNTRY behind them, what will become of them?
I'm not talking about extreme right wingers. Extreme anything is not good. All I'm saying is that several centrists and people who are right of centre are constantly censored and their content is demonetized, even if they simply CLAIM they're from the right and their content has nothing to do with politics. Look at Rebel Media, Sam Hyde, Steven Crowder, Joe Rogan, Dave Rubin, and so on. Tell me about any far leftists or just leftists for that matter who are constantly censored and their primary source of income is cut off from the internet because of supposedly "objectionable content".

 
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wtf

i quoted your own words


what was your previous username
I've repeatedly stated that there's more to this than "right" or "left", and labels are meaningless and that the very act of censorship isn't a very good thing.

About the username, I do not remember. Pretty sure I made an account a long time ago but didn't use it much. I shall let you know if I remember it.

 
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Jones is a conspiracy theorist, nothing more. At least let people have a platform, no matter how ridiculous their ideas. If they're really that stupid, no one will listen. Simple.
Nobody has a "right" to a platform on somebody else's property. This is actually a fairly conservative, property-rights based argument.

He's still free to spread his filth through independent means, like his own server space, zines that he's free to hand out in public, etc. It's funny how right-wing extremists like Jones and Yiannopolous never opt for these independent, grassroots avenues that left-wing groups have been using for years, and instead cry about persecution when they aren't allowed to yell on somebody else's stage. It's ironic how socialists are actually respecting conservative property rights more than conservatives are.

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this is somewhat hypocritical. For instance,

Democrats: businesses should be forced to serve gay people and the public in general; they should be accepting and tolerant of all backgrounds

Also Democrats: BAN THIS MAN AND DON'T GIVE HIM A PLATFORM TO SPEAK, FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND TOLERANCE IS OKAY AS LONG AS I AGREE WITH THE IDEAS THAT IT PROMOTES OR GIVES A PLATFORM TO

just saying, plenty of hypocrisy to be found on both sides.
This isn't really hypocritical, though; American civil rights prohibit discrimination, even by private entities, on the basis of social attributes such as race, nationality of origin, orientation, etc. Most liberal-democratic societies hold that preventing discrimination is a reasonable limitation of property rights to keep a free society.

There are no rules, however, against discriminating against people based on the content of their character, their values, or their views. People don't want Jones taken off media platforms because of his race, orientation, or any other protected class he belongs to. "Shitty people" are not a protected class.

 
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do you people discuss actual ideas or do you just throw around meaningless labels?

The alt-right includes neo-nazis, racists and fascists. The InfoWars website and subreddit clearly mention that they do not tolerate racism and anti-semitism. I'm not even objectively wrong here. How do they fall within the definition of """alt right"""?
>If you say you don't tolerate racism, then you, by definition, cannot be racist

Whew lad

 
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>If you say you don't tolerate racism, then you, by definition, cannot be racist

Whew lad
>tries to greentext here

for real though, it's true. you're PROBABLY not racist if you're anti-racism. InfoWars has had people of different races on the show, for example. is there any evidence to suggest that him or his followers are racist?

 
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