2016 Presidential Primary

[Trotskilicious]

i want to find bernies self made self narrated eugene v debs doc he made in his 30s

his life is so hilarious its like a sitcom abt a bunch of hopeless american marxists trying to get their message out to rural vermont in a time of communist hysteria trying to sell docs to pbs and handing out hommade newsletters in the era of typewriters

were they poorly xeroxed? you better believe it

[Trotskilicious]

its the kind of life i expected if i actually dedicated my life to socialism and figured would be pathetic and sad so i gave up

maybe i need to find a local socialist group, if theres three people in it ill spit hot fire anyway

Sanders/Kingsley 2016

[MyOneAndOnly]

interesting comments on the media circus following the Clinton campaign

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/02/the_...aign_briefing/

I continue to be struck by the self-importance of the media. Campaigning has changed, and the Clinton campaign has evolved an approach that its leadership thinks serves the candidate. Maybe they’ve changed the rules of coverage; but the rules change all the time. Instead of figuring out a way to grapple with those changing rules and break stories anyway, journalists are acting as though they have a sacred right to have dozens of them covering Clinton’s every move. If they don’t like the campaign rules, they shouldn’t play. They are entirely within their rights to refuse to attend briefings where officials can’t be quoted, for instance. They could boycott her events and talk to voters on their own, instead. They could pore over records and donor lists (some people are doing that.)

After 30 years of wrangling, Clinton can’t win with the national media, but I think the campaign has decided it doesn’t need to. It’s going to look for ways to be cordial, and serve folks beer occasionally, but it’s not going to be driven by irritated beat reporters. And let me use voters as sock puppets here: I really don’t think voters will care.

[Bread Regal]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

his life is so hilarious its like a sitcom abt a bunch of hopeless american marxists trying to get their message out to rural vermont in a time of communist hysteria trying to sell docs to pbs and handing out hommade newsletters in the era of typewriters

What's more remarkable is that Vermont was solidly red until he came along and won the house in '92, and it's been blue ever since.

Bernie's open letter to DWS is pretty cool. I wonder if anything will actually materialize. I always thought that if the primary debates are going to start this early then they should definitely move the general debates much earlier. It'd be a better way to determine electability. Having vie for the base's vote during the primaries leaves the general voters with choices that are less than idea.

The ideas in his proposal definitely serve his campaign significantly more than that of everyone else on both sides. In spite of not having any watched any debates that got him into office in the past, he's a fantastic orator that stays on message and actually answers questions directly. The main question is whether the american people would rather be dazzled with brilliance, or baffled with bullshit.

June 1, 2015
Washington, D.C
Honorable Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Chair Democratic National Committee
430 South Capitol Street SE
Washington, DC 20003

Thanks for doing the excellent job you are doing. The purpose of this letter is to discuss the issue of debates in the upcoming Democratic primary nominating process.
In recent weeks, as I have traveled around the country, I have been hearing concerns from voters about the need for vigorous candidate debate. The people of this country are tired of political gossip, personal attacks and ugly 30-second ads. They want the candidates to engage in serious discussion about the very serious issues facing our country today. In my view, the candidates for President should engage in a series of debates beginning this summer. I want to outline my reasons why these debates would be very beneficial to the cause of the Democratic Party and progressive politics in America.

Voter Turnout
:
In recent years, low voter turnout has hurt progressive candidates all across our nation. As you know, the lower levels of turnout in both 2010 and 2014 have resulted in huge Republican gains in the House and Senate as well as in statewide and legislative races. It’s obvious that when more people vote,more Democrats win elections, and so the purpose of our campaign should be to encourage as much voter participation as possible.I believe a larger number of debates beginning in the weeks ahead would encourage such voter participation and I think we have ample evidence to demonstrate that fact. First, the large number of debates in the 2008 Presidential campaign is probably one of the reasons why that campaign was so successful in helping not only elect President Obama to an historic victory but for the Democrats to control the House of Representative and elect sixty members
of our Democratic Caucus in the Senate.Those debates helped voters, beginning in the primary process, to understand more about the candidates and their positions on issues.

I believe that we should not learn the wrong lessons from the past but instead
should look at the fact that an engaged and vigorous nominating process was one of the keys to success in registering voters early on and convincing people
they had a meaningful stake in the general election in November. In 2008 voter turnout was extremely high, and that vigorous process of multiple debates and an engaged nominating process, was one of the reasons for this increased voter turnout that enormously benefitted Democrats at all levels of politics.

Inter Party Debates

In addition to having a number of early debates beginning this summer and continuing through the primary and caucus process, I believe we need to go beyond the bounds of traditional party debates. I am extremely concerned by the fact that many working class Americans are voting against their best economic interests by supporting rightwing Republicans whose agenda represents the interests of the billionaire class, and not the needs of working Americans. Why are millions of struggling Americans voting for Republican candidates who want to cut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and education while giving huge tax breaks to the very richest people in this country?

That is why I believe we should be open to a less traditional form of debating by welcoming the opportunity to debate not only amongst members of the Democratic Party but also having debates between Democratic and Republican candidates during the primary process. I believe that these interparty debates would put in dramatic focus the shallow and at times ridiculous policies and proposals being advocated by the Republican candidates and by their party’s platform. It would also serve to engage large numbers of voters who typically do not pay attention to the process until much later when the general election begins to come into focus. By engaging these voters early and raising the stakes around the election I believe we can get people to participate at higher levels which will undoubtedly benefit Democrats up and down the ticket.

Further, I also think it is important for us to debate not only in the early states but also in many states which currently do not have much Democratic presidential campaign activity. While a number of these non target states have not in the
past had much campaign presence, I believe it is critical for the Democratic Party and progressive forces in America to engage voters in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. By expanding the scope geographically of debates beyond the early calendar states we can begin to awaken activism at the grassroots level in those states and
signal to Democrats and progressives in places like Texas, Mississippi, Utah, and Wyoming that their states are not forgotten by the Democratic Party

I would be happy to discuss these ideas and proposals with you or members of your staff. In the meantime, I hope we can use this as an opportunity to build a constructive dialogue around this issue and others affecting the nominating process.

Keep up the good work.
Sincerely
,
Senator Bernie Sanders

[Eulogy]

He makes total sense there and I hope he keeps yelling about it. Wouldn't surprise me to see someone like Santorum take him up on it either maybe?

But it only makes sense if you're interested in helping the public understand the effects of policy decisions. And no one wants that!

[Bread Regal]

I guess it will only be of benefit if the establishment gop candidates go for it. If only santorum and carson show up, the country will not be better off having watched bernie and hillary pummel some special needs kids to death.

[Bread Regal]

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[Eulogy]

Carson is like tied for the lead nationally right now

[Bread Regal]

And? That just means the revolving door of non-establishment gop frontrunners is chugging along.

http://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_..._opinion_polls

Carson will fade down below rand when his filibuster bump hits.

[D.]

Is OntheIssues still a good site to get a rundown, or is it too simplified?

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

st, he's a fantastic orator that stays on message and actually answers questions directly. The main question is whether the american people would rather be dazzled with brilliance, or baffled with bullshit.

dude i dunno what country you've been living in over this last decade plus but what is sure is that americans are dazzled with bullshit and baffled by brilliance

[Trotskilicious]

TED CRUZ

[Mayfuck]

I think what makes me despise Bernie Sanders is that he labels his attempts to 'improve' capitalism as "socialism" when actual socialism has existed before. His reforms might float domestically but would continue the death industry the U.S. has been exporting globally for decades, almost centuries now.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

i didn't like it when he killed all those kittens and puppies by throwing them against a brick wall. they had done nothing wrong, to him or anyone else.

also, who cleaned up that wall afterwards. i bet he didn't do it himself, but let some poor woman on minimum wage do it. i'm sorry, but that's not helping either. take some responsability for your actions.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

just something to think about...

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by Mayfuck

I think what makes me despise Bernie Sanders is that he labels his attempts to 'improve' capitalism as "socialism" when actual socialism has existed before.

WTF?

when Bernie talks about socialism (and he doesn't often use that word) he's talking about things that most other western democracies have. Like universal health care. Paid family leave (for both parents). Quality PUBLIC education (including college). A living minimum wage. The right to collective bargaining.

why is that so hard to understand?

[Order 66]

that just further propogates the bernie sanders death industry mindset

[Trotskilicious]

i think he means mass exploitation of labor but if mayfuck would like to vote for an anticapitalist, good luck with that

ACCEPT NO COMPROMISES!

[Bread Regal]

well i mean, the lifestyle that bernie envisions for americans could not possibly be extended to everyone on earth because as it is, americans are like the biggest consumers of every natural resource on the planet. bernie's america still relies on economic imperialism.

white supremacists would love bernie if he weren't a jew.

[Eulogy]

This 5th circuit decision on the Texas abortion law provides a pretty clear path to the overturning or reaffirming of roe v wade

[MyOneAndOnly]

Texas Texas Uber Alles

[MyOneAndOnly]

Soon, you wont have to live in Texas to be treated like like you live in Texas.

[MyOneAndOnly]

One more Republican president and Eulogy won't have health care, abortions or gay marriage.

[MyOneAndOnly]

http://images.dailykos.com/images/14...png?1433987197

[Bread Regal]

Hillary's first stump speech today. I can't find a full version of it.

[sppunk]

Here is the transcript: http://time.com/3920332/transcript-f...mpaign-launch/

[MyOneAndOnly]

it's a good kick off speech. her campaign is focusing on core Progressive Democratic values. looks like she learned something from 2008.

[Trotskilicious]

she learned from obama that she can say a bunch of shit you guys wanna hear, youll eat it up like the salivating dogs that you are, and then if elected she'll go right back to being right-of-center and enriching herself through govt contacts like shes always done

then she'll give obama a high five before tube feeding a prisoner at gitmo

[Eulogy]

The "everything will be the exactly the same no matter who wins" is so outrageously and demonstrably wrong. It's so simple minded.

No things won't be perfect. But there are some important differences.