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Old 12-14-2004, 01:51 PM   #61
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Fuck you man.

I cant get it till it’s FOR SALE!

And we get shit on sale here like, a month after you.
wait do we agree on the fact that mars volta rules?

 
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Old 12-14-2004, 07:13 PM   #62
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this album is embarassingly terrible. you people should be embarassed. if i wanted to listen to people cop 70's classic rock and prog and add absolutely nothing new... wait, why would i want to listen to that?

 
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Old 12-14-2004, 08:28 PM   #63
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this album is embarassingly terrible. you people should be embarassed. if i wanted to listen to people cop 70's classic rock and prog and add absolutely nothing new... wait, why would i want to listen to that?
I don't know what you listen to, but not many bands these days are doing anything new, if any at all. At least this album is attempt to revive something that hasn't been whored around lately. (i.e. all the "The" bands sound).

 
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Old 12-14-2004, 09:49 PM   #64
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I don't know what you listen to, but not many bands these days are doing anything new, if any at all. At least this album is attempt to revive something that hasn't been whored around lately. (i.e. all the "The" bands sound).
there's plenty of bands that mine prog without sounding like more annoying carbon copies of their influences. like, say, Upsilon Acrux, or 31 Knots, or The Flying Luttenbachers, or Ahleuchatistas, or Hella, or Cheval de Frise. do i need to go on?

also, Zombi is a way better prog homage.

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 04:14 AM   #65
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there's plenty of bands that mine prog without sounding like more annoying carbon copies of their influences. like, say, Upsilon Acrux, or 31 Knots, or The Flying Luttenbachers, or Ahleuchatistas, or Hella, or Cheval de Frise. do i need to go on?

also, Zombi is a way better prog homage.
Oh, I didn't realize that liking the music is way less important than liking the bands who supposedly copy the music's influences better. Thank you for teaching me, Mr. Ryan Patrick.

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 04:50 AM   #66
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there's plenty of bands that mine prog without sounding like more annoying carbon copies of their influences. like, say, Upsilon Acrux, or 31 Knots, or The Flying Luttenbachers, or Ahleuchatistas, or Hella, or Cheval de Frise. do i need to go on?

also, Zombi is a way better prog homage.
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Old 12-15-2004, 04:54 AM   #67
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there's plenty of bands that mine prog without sounding like more annoying carbon copies of their influences. like, say, Upsilon Acrux, or 31 Knots, or The Flying Luttenbachers, or Ahleuchatistas, or Hella, or Cheval de Frise. do i need to go on?

also, Zombi is a way better prog homage.
Upsilon Acrux - Just because you make a bunch of noise, doesn't make you prog

31 Knots - Gentle Giant Jr. Jr. Jr. Jr. Jr.

The Flying Luttenbachers - noise isn't music, definately not progressive, maybe can be termed 'avant garde'

Ahleuchatistas - eh, similar to Gentle Giant, but not as talented

Hella - very noisey, "avant garde"-ish, a.k.a crap

Cheval de Frise - really dull, instrumental crap

Zombi - Actually are pretty decent, too much spacey keyboard though

I don't think a band can really be prog if they don't have lyrics. If you take a look at all the seminal prog bands (ELP, The Moody Blues, Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, perhaps Jethro Tull) they all had lyrics in most of their songs, and they never relied heavily on noise.

These bands you mentioned seemed to rely heavily on random bullshit noise sections. That may be their thing, but to call them prog is a stretch. Avant garde noise music has been around since the mid 60s with the likes of jazz musicians such as Sun Ra and later John Coltrane albums. Playing watered down transpositions of such concepts is hardly commendable.

Prog is really a dead term since from the time of it's inception (the early 70s) music has not progressed much at all, and in fact in most cases has digressed. The only thing that has been added in modern prog is the advent of the virtuoso guitarist (such as John Petrucci). While bands like Magellan and Explorer's Club have carried on the torch, they haven't done so with as much bombast as the likes of John Petrucci and Dream Theater. Even though these bands may not be overall as technically proficient as Dream Theater, they still tower compared to the likes of the indie shitstains mentioned in previous posts.

If a band is to be called "progressive" in this day and age, they must at least convery the technical proficiency displayed by the earliest of prog bands, and hopefully try to transcend these bands, although this is made increasingly difficult with the likes of guitarists like John Petrucci at the forefront of modern prog.

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 06:02 AM   #68
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i think you're unfairly dismissing most of those artists. Hella isn't really noisy or avant-garde. and Flying Luttenbachers have their noisy moments but are heavily prog-ish a lot of the time, especially on their latest record. Upsilon Acrux does bang around a lot but just as often is playing something with structure and it's all pretty prog-influenced to me. they even cover Goblin.

sure, they don't sound like prog music exactly. but that's my point: they're influenced by it without sounding like a copy of it. new direction.

and unrelatedly, as i don't think any of those acts are particularly avant-garde except maybe the Luttenbachers, avant-garde music goes back way further than the '60s but the reason it remains interesting is because it has an endless sonic palette to work with. you use "avant-garde" and "free improvisation" interchangeably, and they're not exactly the same thing in my experience.

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 06:10 AM   #69
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wait do we agree on the fact that mars volta rules?
Yup, I like them bunches.
Hope i like the new stuff when I hear it too!

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 06:20 AM   #70
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Old 12-15-2004, 06:23 AM   #71
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Oh, I didn't realize that liking the music is way less important than liking the bands who supposedly copy the music's influences better. Thank you for teaching me, Mr. Ryan Patrick.
well you really shouldn't like Mars Volta in the first place.

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 06:27 AM   #72
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well you really shouldn't like Mars Volta in the first place.
Cause you said so?

Stop selling your opinions as fact.


I hate that about the music board.

God, it's just how you feel. And thats nothing to anyone else really.

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 06:54 AM   #73
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Cause you said so?

Stop selling your opinions as fact.


I hate that about the music board.

God, it's just how you feel. And thats nothing to anyone else really.
GOD! JEEZ!

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 02:30 PM   #74
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well you really shouldn't like Mars Volta in the first place.
someone's thong is pretty far up his asscrack

you're not going to convince us to stop liking TMV so just go piss on someone else you fuckwad

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 03:45 PM   #75
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someone's thong is pretty far up his asscrack

you're not going to convince us to stop liking TMV so just go piss on someone else you fuckwad

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 03:55 PM   #76
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someone's thong is pretty far up his asscrack

you're not going to convince us to stop liking TMV so just go piss on someone else you fuckwad
and the reason IS YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 03:57 PM   #77
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and the reason IS YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
please go harrass hoobastank fans

that'd be so much more productive

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 04:06 PM   #78
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please go harrass hoobastank fans

that'd be so much more productive
"The Widow" is almost as bad as hoobastank though.

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 05:42 PM   #79
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MARS VOLTA RULE! YEAH BOY! WOOOO!!!!

 
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i think you're unfairly dismissing most of those artists. Hella isn't really noisy or avant-garde. and Flying Luttenbachers have their noisy moments but are heavily prog-ish a lot of the time, especially on their latest record. Upsilon Acrux does bang around a lot but just as often is playing something with structure and it's all pretty prog-influenced to me. they even cover Goblin.

sure, they don't sound like prog music exactly. but that's my point: they're influenced by it without sounding like a copy of it. new direction.

and unrelatedly, as i don't think any of those acts are particularly avant-garde except maybe the Luttenbachers, avant-garde music goes back way further than the '60s but the reason it remains interesting is because it has an endless sonic palette to work with. you use "avant-garde" and "free improvisation" interchangeably, and they're not exactly the same thing in my experience.
I'll have to listen to those bands some more.

I haven't listened to a lot of guitar based avant-garde, but I have listened to Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, etc. Never really liked any of it. What's the difference between avant-garde and free improv, as you say? The avant garde I've heard has complete disregard for traditonal song structures, keys, melodies, etc. Just sounded like a bunch of noise to me.

 
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"The Widow" is almost as bad as hoobastank though.
You're deranged.

 
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Old 12-15-2004, 09:00 PM   #82
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You're deranged.
I'll second that.

 
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Old 12-16-2004, 08:20 PM   #83
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Copied from the Comatorium-----

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Album Information:

1. Album Title: Frances the Mute
2. Produced by Omar A Rodriguez-Lopez
3. Mixed by Rich Costey
4. Recorded from Jan 2004-October 2004
5. @ various studios in Australia, Los Angeles, Puerto Rico and New York City
6. 77 minutes long & seamless start to finish
7. Storm Thorgerson is doing the artwork again
8. Lyrics will be *******d in the package

The Mars Volta:

1. Vocals: Cedric Bixler Zavala
2. Guitars: Omar A Rodriguez-Lopez
3. Drums: Jon Theodore
4. Bass: Juan Alderete
5. Keyboards: Ikey Owens
6. Percussion: Marcel Rodriguez

Special Guests:

1. Piano: Larry Harlow

Tracklisting:

The a, b, c, etc. represent movements within the song.

Cygnus....Vismund Cygnus

1. Sarcophagi
2. Umbilical Syllables
3. Facilis Descenus Averni
4. Con Safo

The Widow

L’ Via L’ Viaquez

Miranda That Ghost Just Isn’t Holy Anymore

1. Vade Mecum
2. Pour Another Icepick
3. Pisacis (Phra-Men-Ma)
4. Con Safo

Cassandra Gemini

1. Tarantism
2. Plant A Nail In The Navel Stream
3. Faminepulse
4. Multiple Spouse Wounds
5. Sarcophagi

Song Information:

1. Some songs are very bilingual – English and Spanish
2. The Widow will be released as a single, and there will be a video. A very early version of this song was played live at the Wiltern shows – the song did get a little thicker since then, but its very close to what you may have heard. See below for downloads.


ii. (continued) They played "The Widow" at each Wiltern show. Here's links to the downloads:

May 6th, 2004
May 12th, 2004
May 13th, 2004

Follow the download link, and it will be labeled as New Song .

Release Dates:

1. CD: A release date has yet to be confirmed (It should be released before the vinyl)
2. Vinyl: March 22 (Source: GSL)

Other Information:

Coinciding with the album's release is that of the self-titled single, a one-track, 15-minute 12" which serves as a "decoder" for the remainder of the album. To clarify, the title track of the album is, in fact, not actually on the album.
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Old 12-16-2004, 08:47 PM   #84
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goddamn you Omar.



why can't the days supply
what was left behind
only these names I clutch
will lead me to my home
somehow this river marks
a wrinkled hand in mine
and every day that parts
the water rinses you
my vessels never stop
to drown the living proof
why I can't remember
these lakes of blood,
wrapped in a blanket
the sweat to cut.

 
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Old 12-16-2004, 09:07 PM   #85
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I downloaded The Widow and uh.

I just don't see it. but whatever, it's cool.

 
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Old 12-16-2004, 09:45 PM   #86
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why do the same movements appear twice

i'm pretty excited for this. i wish a release date would come out. i don't download new albums.

 
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why do the same movements appear twice

i'm pretty excited for this. i wish a release date would come out. i don't download new albums.
I'd guess sometime late Feb. Maybe early March.

 
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Old 12-16-2004, 11:44 PM   #88
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Omar's solo album is better than Mars Volta.

 
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Omar's solo album is better than Mars Volta.
We'll take your mindless drivel into consideration.

 
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Old 12-17-2004, 02:18 AM   #90
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why can't the days supply
what was left behind
only these names I clutch
will lead me to my home
somehow this river marks
a wrinkled hand in mine
and every day that parts
the water rinses you
my vessels never stop
to drown the living proof
why I can't remember
these lakes of blood,
wrapped in a blanket
the sweat to cut.

 
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