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12-14-2004, 01:51 PM | #61 | |
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12-14-2004, 07:13 PM | #62 |
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this album is embarassingly terrible. you people should be embarassed. if i wanted to listen to people cop 70's classic rock and prog and add absolutely nothing new... wait, why would i want to listen to that?
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12-14-2004, 08:28 PM | #63 | |
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12-14-2004, 09:49 PM | #64 | |
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also, Zombi is a way better prog homage. |
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12-15-2004, 04:14 AM | #65 | |
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12-15-2004, 04:50 AM | #66 | |
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12-15-2004, 04:54 AM | #67 | |
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31 Knots - Gentle Giant Jr. Jr. Jr. Jr. Jr. The Flying Luttenbachers - noise isn't music, definately not progressive, maybe can be termed 'avant garde' Ahleuchatistas - eh, similar to Gentle Giant, but not as talented Hella - very noisey, "avant garde"-ish, a.k.a crap Cheval de Frise - really dull, instrumental crap Zombi - Actually are pretty decent, too much spacey keyboard though I don't think a band can really be prog if they don't have lyrics. If you take a look at all the seminal prog bands (ELP, The Moody Blues, Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, perhaps Jethro Tull) they all had lyrics in most of their songs, and they never relied heavily on noise. These bands you mentioned seemed to rely heavily on random bullshit noise sections. That may be their thing, but to call them prog is a stretch. Avant garde noise music has been around since the mid 60s with the likes of jazz musicians such as Sun Ra and later John Coltrane albums. Playing watered down transpositions of such concepts is hardly commendable. Prog is really a dead term since from the time of it's inception (the early 70s) music has not progressed much at all, and in fact in most cases has digressed. The only thing that has been added in modern prog is the advent of the virtuoso guitarist (such as John Petrucci). While bands like Magellan and Explorer's Club have carried on the torch, they haven't done so with as much bombast as the likes of John Petrucci and Dream Theater. Even though these bands may not be overall as technically proficient as Dream Theater, they still tower compared to the likes of the indie shitstains mentioned in previous posts. If a band is to be called "progressive" in this day and age, they must at least convery the technical proficiency displayed by the earliest of prog bands, and hopefully try to transcend these bands, although this is made increasingly difficult with the likes of guitarists like John Petrucci at the forefront of modern prog. |
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12-15-2004, 06:02 AM | #68 |
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i think you're unfairly dismissing most of those artists. Hella isn't really noisy or avant-garde. and Flying Luttenbachers have their noisy moments but are heavily prog-ish a lot of the time, especially on their latest record. Upsilon Acrux does bang around a lot but just as often is playing something with structure and it's all pretty prog-influenced to me. they even cover Goblin.
sure, they don't sound like prog music exactly. but that's my point: they're influenced by it without sounding like a copy of it. new direction. and unrelatedly, as i don't think any of those acts are particularly avant-garde except maybe the Luttenbachers, avant-garde music goes back way further than the '60s but the reason it remains interesting is because it has an endless sonic palette to work with. you use "avant-garde" and "free improvisation" interchangeably, and they're not exactly the same thing in my experience. |
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12-15-2004, 06:10 AM | #69 | |
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Hope i like the new stuff when I hear it too! |
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12-15-2004, 06:20 AM | #70 | |
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12-15-2004, 06:23 AM | #71 | |
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12-15-2004, 06:27 AM | #72 | |
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Stop selling your opinions as fact. I hate that about the music board. God, it's just how you feel. And thats nothing to anyone else really. |
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12-15-2004, 06:54 AM | #73 | |
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12-15-2004, 02:30 PM | #74 | |
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you're not going to convince us to stop liking TMV so just go piss on someone else you fuckwad |
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12-15-2004, 03:45 PM | #75 | |
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12-15-2004, 03:55 PM | #76 | |
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12-15-2004, 03:57 PM | #77 | |
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that'd be so much more productive |
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12-15-2004, 04:06 PM | #78 | |
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12-15-2004, 05:42 PM | #79 |
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MARS VOLTA RULE! YEAH BOY! WOOOO!!!!
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12-15-2004, 06:50 PM | #80 | |
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I haven't listened to a lot of guitar based avant-garde, but I have listened to Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, etc. Never really liked any of it. What's the difference between avant-garde and free improv, as you say? The avant garde I've heard has complete disregard for traditonal song structures, keys, melodies, etc. Just sounded like a bunch of noise to me. |
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12-15-2004, 07:44 PM | #81 | |
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12-15-2004, 09:00 PM | #82 | |
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12-16-2004, 08:20 PM | #83 | |
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12-16-2004, 08:47 PM | #84 |
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goddamn you Omar.
why can't the days supply what was left behind only these names I clutch will lead me to my home somehow this river marks a wrinkled hand in mine and every day that parts the water rinses you my vessels never stop to drown the living proof why I can't remember these lakes of blood, wrapped in a blanket the sweat to cut. |
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12-16-2004, 09:07 PM | #85 |
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I downloaded The Widow and uh.
I just don't see it. but whatever, it's cool. |
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12-16-2004, 09:45 PM | #86 |
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why do the same movements appear twice
i'm pretty excited for this. i wish a release date would come out. i don't download new albums. |
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12-16-2004, 10:44 PM | #87 | |
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12-16-2004, 11:44 PM | #88 |
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Omar's solo album is better than Mars Volta.
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12-16-2004, 11:56 PM | #89 | |
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