because of things like that...

severin · 11-12-2002, 01:22 PM

the world begins to hate the USA:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/09/po...partner=GOOGLE

not only that they try to spy on their own people, but they also want to spy on my creditcard-transactions, my travelling, my mails to my grandmother (if i would send her some) and everything i do in the internet. how arrogant must a country be to take the privacy away from the whole world? 1984 is now.......

KrazeeStacee · 11-12-2002, 01:23 PM

send mail to your grandma

severin · 11-12-2002, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by KrazeePumpkin
send mail to your grandma

she's 87 and has never touched a pc in her whole life. the other one's 78 and has neither

KrazeeStacee · 11-12-2002, 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by severin
she's 87 and has never touched a pc in her whole life. the other one's 78 and has neither

write them a letter then

Affect · 11-12-2002, 01:32 PM

Just shut the fuck up.

severin · 11-12-2002, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by Affect
Just shut the fuck up.

getting short of real arguments?

Affect · 11-12-2002, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by severin
getting short of real arguments?

No, I'm getting tired of your idiotic, childish anti-American rants. I try not to argue with fools.

severin · 11-12-2002, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by Affect
No, I'm getting tired of your idiotic, childish anti-American rants. I try not to argue with fools.

you know, i don't care if this stuff is planned by america, canada, england or the vatican. it's just wrong. 2 years ago i was planning on immigrating to america because i really thought it was the land of opportunities, of "freedom". but so many things which have happened there since then make me think it was really, really good that i didn't actually do it. and the really sad thing are people like you, who are so blinded by "patriotism", by arrogance, that they can't see what is happening. no thinking person can actually believe that a program like the one mentioned in that article is right in any way. i want to see your face when the police is raiding your home because you wrote something in an email that was not conforming to the standards of TIA. and the cutting down on privacy is a worldwide problem (or at least a problem in the western world) that is just no longer ignorable. so please, either get some real arguments to prove me wrong, or shut up

severin · 11-12-2002, 02:02 PM

what really bothers me...no that's not right, everything about this one bothers me, but what bothers me most, is that they want to get the data from all around the world without taking account of national laws in all the other countries. how arogant must one be to behave like this?

Smiley33 · 11-12-2002, 02:04 PM

I don't agree with it at all, but for god's sake, this isn't the first time a country has done this.

Affect · 11-12-2002, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by killtheyouth
Seriously...reading my mail, email, monetary transactions, and my internet browsing habits...is a violation of everything this country was built on. I really don't see this making it past the courts though. But you never know. The fact that it's even being seriously proposed is scary enough.

The technical side of this program is not explained at all in that article. I believe that it's called Green Lantern. For extensive probes, it requires a court order. What it intercepts is only the to/from part of the header of emails. It doesn't pry into your kiddie porn collection, or give a flying fuck about what you are doing with your secretary at work. To prevent thousands of deaths, I'm willing to give up my god given right of having the to/from header of my email read.

severin · 11-12-2002, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by Smiley33
I don't agree with it at all, but for god's sake, this isn't the first time a country has done this.

it is, in fact, the first western, so-called democracy, that wants to take all the privacy of it's own people, and of all the people in the world using any form of aelctronical communication (be it telephone, fax or email)

Affect · 11-12-2002, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by killtheyouth

http://www.in-nyc.com/kandi_kane/ima...ubya/nazis.jpg

That's just fucking ignorant.

severin · 11-12-2002, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Affect
The technical side of this program is not explained at all in that article. I believe that it's called Green Lantern. For extensive probes, it requires a court order. What it intercepts is only the to/from part of the header of emails. It doesn't pry into your kiddie porn collection, or give a flying fuck about what you are doing with your secretary at work. To prevent thousands of deaths, I'm willing to give up my god given right of having the to/from header of my email read.

see, and that's not right. it goes far beyond having your mail header read. it listens to all phone calls for special phrases, it searches all of your email for special phrases, and it does NOT need court order to do this. and that's the main difference to all the things which have been done before. they want to get unlimited access to all credit-card transactions and to travel-bookings. and not only of people living in america, but from everywhere.

Affect · 11-12-2002, 02:24 PM

http://www.cia.gov/cia/ciakids/index.html

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