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Samsa · 11-06-2002, 05:46 PM

sleater-kinney - one beat

conversation in my room : "dude did you know that kid died?"

"the bike kid?"

"yeah"

"fuckin a. hell. fuckin a."

classtime.

toyschoketoys · 11-06-2002, 05:52 PM

Sleater kinney are not too bad then thats the first i heard of them.
Its always shitty when these kids die.

Travis Meekz · 11-06-2002, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by Graveflower

What? She's right. Melancholia posted that dave's flame was uncalled for and then preceded to flame her at the end of her post.

Fuck. I said that because I think it's crazy to mourn for someone who you do not know. People die everyday but we don't mourn them. Suze said it best, "it's disrespectful to the memory of some poor 18-year old boy who was killed this morning." Some poor boy. I'll leave it at that, some poor 18 year old boy died in America today. She didn't know him or anything. Yes it's horrible that he died, but to talk about it like you're concerned, yet you didn't know him, seems odd to me. But whatever, I just think suze is crazy and like to post that thought. Don't turn this into some gay flame war because I can really care less. This place is begining to annoy me

Samsa · 11-06-2002, 07:33 PM

lol. i'm glad i actually read your post for once. suddenly insanity is defined by having concern for people one doesn't necessarily know. ahh ha ha. yes. empathy is not 'rational' or whatever. but you know there's something wrong with your philosophy when something that shouldn't exist according to your philosophy actually does. like empathy for strangers.

Samsa · 11-06-2002, 07:37 PM

if anything i feel guilty for being so upset about this. like it's selfish of me or something. i can't explain.

Samsa · 11-06-2002, 07:40 PM

A goal of most mental health therapy, at least in the United States. Empathy as a goal serves at least two purposes-
1. Puts the needs/wants of others first in the patient's mind, at least occasionally. Gives the patient some perspective and a version of the world different than their own. It also establishes the responsibility for "understanding" others on the person and not on those "other people" or the therapist (since the therapist does not need to live with your friends, relatives)

2. Secondly, and some would say, more importantly, it gives the patient a moment to step outside themselves and see how others view them- how others view the patient's problems. Their version of the patient's situation can be more instructive than any help from the therapist, since they have a more direct, unfiltered view of the patient's world. Empathy, in this sense, allows the patient to listen to and understand not just how others think and feel, but how they feel about you. It's emotional impact, if taken with an open mind, can be powerful.

Patients who cannot relate to others' feelings, and cannot see their side, are blind to the world around them. Worse, patients who cannot relate to how others see them are blind to themselves.

The concept of learned empathy is as close as Western Psychotherapy gets to Zen ideas.

Samsa · 11-06-2002, 07:42 PM

or almost as if posting about it or talking about it or thinking about it, or relating it to myself, whatever, is almost trivializing it. like just analyzing something just. or posting about it as if i'm allowed to..... i don't even know how to explain it. like it's exploitive almost.

sawdust restaurants · 11-06-2002, 07:52 PM

It's not exploitative. If anything, more people are going to know about this poor kid. It gives him a shred of dignity. Maybe some good can come out of it if people realize they need to fucking pay more attention on college campuses full of pedestrians? People drive through here like fucking maniacs and it's probably some reckless driver's fault that the poor kid got hit.

Karl Malone · 11-06-2002, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smiley33

WHAT THE FUCK

There only one Karl Malone. That be me.

Samsa · 11-07-2002, 02:15 AM

http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-wm...ines%2Dtopnews

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11-06-2002, 05:46 PM	#31
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	sleater-kinney - one beat conversation in my room : "dude did you know that kid died?" "the bike kid?" "yeah" "fuckin a. hell. fuckin a." classtime.

11-06-2002, 07:33 PM	#34
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	lol. i'm glad i actually read your post for once. suddenly insanity is defined by having concern for people one doesn't necessarily know. ahh ha ha. yes. empathy is not 'rational' or whatever. but you know there's something wrong with your philosophy when something that shouldn't exist according to your philosophy actually does. like empathy for strangers.

11-06-2002, 07:37 PM	#35
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	if anything i feel guilty for being so upset about this. like it's selfish of me or something. i can't explain.

11-06-2002, 07:40 PM	#36
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	A goal of most mental health therapy, at least in the United States. Empathy as a goal serves at least two purposes- 1. Puts the needs/wants of others first in the patient's mind, at least occasionally. Gives the patient some perspective and a version of the world different than their own. It also establishes the responsibility for "understanding" others on the person and not on those "other people" or the therapist (since the therapist does not need to live with your friends, relatives) 2. Secondly, and some would say, more importantly, it gives the patient a moment to step outside themselves and see how others view them- how others view the patient's problems. Their version of the patient's situation can be more instructive than any help from the therapist, since they have a more direct, unfiltered view of the patient's world. Empathy, in this sense, allows the patient to listen to and understand not just how others think and feel, but how they feel about you. It's emotional impact, if taken with an open mind, can be powerful. Patients who cannot relate to others' feelings, and cannot see their side, are blind to the world around them. Worse, patients who cannot relate to how others see them are blind to themselves. The concept of learned empathy is as close as Western Psychotherapy gets to Zen ideas.

11-06-2002, 07:42 PM	#37
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	or almost as if posting about it or talking about it or thinking about it, or relating it to myself, whatever, is almost trivializing it. like just analyzing something just. or posting about it as if i'm allowed to..... i don't even know how to explain it. like it's exploitive almost.

11-06-2002, 07:52 PM	#38
sawdust restaurants Fucking Creep Location: On the East Coast Posts: 5,992	It's not exploitative. If anything, more people are going to know about this poor kid. It gives him a shred of dignity. Maybe some good can come out of it if people realize they need to fucking pay more attention on college campuses full of pedestrians? People drive through here like fucking maniacs and it's probably some reckless driver's fault that the poor kid got hit.

11-07-2002, 02:15 AM	#40
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-wm...ines%2Dtopnews