Drown stray cats says NY official(news item)

strange_one · 11-04-2002, 02:42 AM

from nydailynews.com:
Stray cats? Drown 'em, sez state official

By JOE MAHONEY
DAILY NEWS ALBANY BUREAU CHIEF

Animal rights activists bared their claws yesterday at a state wildlife official who proposed drowning stray cats as a way of getting rid of unwanted animals.
Biologist Doug Little suggested holding the furry animals' heads under water for several minutes in a telephone call that was secretly taped by the radical group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

"I would leave them in there for five minutes, just to be sure," Little told the caller posing as a concerned New Yorker. "I would hate to pull it out and then have to put it back in."

Little added, "it shouldn't be more than a couple of minutes" to dispatch unwanted felines to that big litter box in the sky.

Little, who works at the Department of Environmental Conservation office in Stony Brook, L.I., admitted offering the drowning advice in the taped call Oct. 2.

"You can trap and destroy them if they are not somebody's pet," he said yesterday.

But cat lovers branded drowning as cruel and inhumane punishment, especially when the victim could be a neighbor's innocent pet.

"There are other ways to euthanize an animal," said Stephanie Boyles, a PETA biologist.

PETA is using the recording in a campaign to persuade the state to abandon what the group says is an "inhumane" approach to nuisance animals.

The group has courted controversy in the past by throwing paint at women in fur coats, threatening to disrupt sport-fishing tournaments to save fish and posting ads linking milk with cancer.

PETA says the drowning advice flies in the face of Buster's Law, a state anti-cruelty statute named for a tortured tabby cat in upstate Schenectady.

But the departments touts drowning as a humane way of dealing with problem animals, although cats are not listed among the nuisance species.

Mark Lowery, a department spokesman, said his office gets dozens of calls on how to remove animals such as opossums, skunks and wild cats.

"Whether something is humane or not is a judgment call," he said. "Many homeowners are not prepared to destroy the animal in any other way" because they don't own guns.

But an Albany-based spokesman for the department, Pete Constantakes, insisted the agency has no advice to give on unwanted cats.

"We're not advocating the drowning of cats," he said. "They're not classified by us as wild animals."

mirrar · 11-04-2002, 02:44 AM

*shudder* thats fucking digusting. I'm going to end up the crazy old lady with 50 cats because of shit like this.

beef curtains · 11-04-2002, 04:12 AM

Fattening Ass · 11-04-2002, 05:22 AM

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Originally posted by So very sad about me

lawson · 11-04-2002, 06:39 AM

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Originally posted by strange_one
"I would leave them in there for five minutes, just to be sure," Little told the caller posing as a concerned New Yorker. "I would hate to pull it out and then have to put it back in."

:erm

obscured01 · 11-04-2002, 10:41 AM

That's horrible.

Jesus, why can't they just put them to sleep like everyone else? If they're wild, then shoot them with a tranquilizer, then transport them back to the animal shelter and put them to sleep?! Stupid people.

I hope that's a joke or something.

Mayfuck · 11-04-2002, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by obscured01
That's horrible. Jesus, why can't they just put them to sleep like everyone else? If they're wild, then shoot them with a tranquilizer, then transport them back to the animal shelter and put them to sleep?! Stupid people.

I hope that's a joke or something.

Fuck you. Doug Little was just suggesting an alternative. I agree with him. It's easier his way.

obscured01 · 11-04-2002, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Mayfuck

Fuck you. Doug Little was just suggesting an alternative. I agree with him. It's easier his way.

mirrar · 11-04-2002, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by Mayfuck

Fuck you. Doug Little was just suggesting an alternative. I agree with him. It's easier his way.

yes, because it's perfectly fine to cause unecessary pain and suffering when there are much more humane ways to put animals to keep. Fucking idiot.

mirrar · 11-04-2002, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by killtheyouth
how about we drown stray PETA members instead.

good lord how i hate that organization.

they hate you too.

Apart · 11-04-2002, 04:12 PM

yet ANOTHER thread where you petty fools get hot and bothered about something that has nothing to do with you. and its funny as fucking hell....losers.

drown the cats!!! drown em all!!!

"meow!...meow!!....meo..garggle...boobgarrbleeerrow w!!!..*gasp*....*dead kitty floats*"

noir cat · 11-04-2002, 05:45 PM

That's terrible.

bonsor · 11-04-2002, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by Apart
"meow!...meow!!....meo..garggle...boobgarrbleeerrow w!!!..*gasp*....*dead kitty floats*"

lol

Tessellation · 11-04-2002, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by Mayfuck

Fuck you. Doug Little was just suggesting an alternative. I agree with him. It's easier his way.

now I know why you and Samsa are made for each other. You're both dumb fucks...

Kalsedony · 11-04-2002, 06:21 PM

Someone should drown Doug Little. And then PETA.

Orchestra · 11-04-2002, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by So very sad about me

my thoughts exactly

Undone · 11-04-2002, 06:38 PM

There was a similar problem at my college in the 1980s with feral cats, however, it most likely wasn't at quite the scale as with a city. The cats were going to be killed, and that's when Campus Action for Animals was formed. Instead of having them killed, the cats were captured, fixed, and released. This is a COMPLETELY cruelty-free way of dealing with large numbers of animals, and we all know that the pet population is gigantic to begin with as thousands upon thousands are killed every week. As far as the people-power required to do that, PETA and various humane societies would be happy to take up the duty. I'm glad this was caught on tape so that he could be shown a better way of dealing with living things.

Undone · 11-04-2002, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by Graveflower
I'm still having serious trouble with the idea that people are in here acting horrified by the drowning thing, yet find it perfectly acceptable to put a cat to sleep just because someone doesn't want it in their neighborhood. Jesus.

Granted, I'd rather have some death shot up into me than be submerged Buckley-style until I *glub glub*, I agree with you completely.

CAPTURE

SPAY/NEUTER

RELEASE

Repeat x 43583409578234908574093857 to all the Neanderthals.

skippy · 11-04-2002, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by Graveflower
I'm still having serious trouble with the idea that people are in here acting horrified by the drowning thing, yet find it perfectly acceptable to put a cat to sleep just because someone doesn't want it in their neighborhood. Jesus.

Well are YOU going to pay to house and feed the MILLIONS of unwanted cats there would be if they weren't euthenized? Time to grow up and deal with reality.

Undone · 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by Mark LeDrew

Well are YOU going to pay to house and feed the MILLIONS of unwanted cats there would be if they weren't euthenized? Time to grow up and deal with reality.

You are failing to read my bright purple font.

The large problems are breeders (purchasing from pet stores and even "responsible" breeders, etc), and neglecting to spay/neuter pets. *reaches for Bob Barker dummy*

Undone · 11-04-2002, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by Mark LeDrew

Well are YOU going to pay to house and feed the MILLIONS of unwanted cats there would be if they weren't euthenized? Time to grow up and deal with reality.

Plus, they are called "feral" for a reason. They don't have to be housed OR fed. They hunt, scavange, and live on their own.

skippy · 11-04-2002, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Undone

You are failing to read my bright purple font.

The large problems are breeders (purchasing from pet stores and even "responsible" breeders, etc), and neglecting to spay/neuter pets. *reaches for Bob Barker dummy*

Ok then. Are YOU going to pay the vets to spay or neuter every unwanted cat? Again, I would invite you to get real.

Undone · 11-04-2002, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by Mark LeDrew

Ok then. Are YOU going to pay the vets to spay or neuter every unwanted cat? Again, I would invite you to get real.

Grassroots animal rights sites could get enough money for the project without a problem. I'm not proposing to magically drop the population of a species without any work here, so I don't see how I'm not being "real". You're just not being resourceful.

skippy · 11-04-2002, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by Undone

Plus, they are called "feral" for a reason. They don't have to be housed OR fed. They hunt, scavange, and live on their own.

Millions of additional stray cats roaming the streets of America. That sure sounds like utopia to me! But you're right, domesticated house cats should run free amongst the flora and the fauna. Everyone, free your kitties!!

sawdust restaurants · 11-04-2002, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by Mark LeDrew
Ok then. Are YOU going to pay the vets to spay or neuter every unwanted cat? Again, I would invite you to get real.

YAY I LOVE THE STATUS QUO LET'S NEVAR CHANGE ANYTHING!!11!11!

Undone · 11-04-2002, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by Mark LeDrew

Millions of additional stray cats roaming the streets of America. That sure sounds like utopia to me! But you're right, domesticated house cats should run free amongst the flora and the fauna. Everyone, free your kitties!!

I'm thinking that you are grossly misunderstanding the situation. I'm not saying to free any kitties. The animals we are talking about have already been abandoned, and this is not encouraged by me or any other reasonable group/person in any way. What I'm proposing is a way to nicely deal with a population that already exists.

Undone · 11-04-2002, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by sawdust restaurants

YAY I LOVE THE STATUS QUO LET'S NEVAR CHANGE ANYTHING!!11!11!

I know, he's sounding like a conservative Republican

. We can always have the fun of comparing this to humans. Damn those homeless people! What a nuisance; I know I am not going to pay to help the situation.

Toast · 11-04-2002, 07:23 PM

They should skin the cats and use the fur to clothe the homeless.

Undone · 11-04-2002, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Toast
They should skin the cats and use the fur to clothe the homeless.

We have a winner. Now we just have to think of a clever brand name.

Tessellation · 11-04-2002, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by Toast
They should skin the cats and use the fur to clothe the homeless.

But then PETA would murder homeless people...:erm

11-04-2002, 02:42 AM	#1
strange_one No Chance Location: Here Posts: 13,788	Drown stray cats says NY official(news item) from nydailynews.com: Stray cats? Drown 'em, sez state official By JOE MAHONEY DAILY NEWS ALBANY BUREAU CHIEF Animal rights activists bared their claws yesterday at a state wildlife official who proposed drowning stray cats as a way of getting rid of unwanted animals. Biologist Doug Little suggested holding the furry animals' heads under water for several minutes in a telephone call that was secretly taped by the radical group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. "I would leave them in there for five minutes, just to be sure," Little told the caller posing as a concerned New Yorker. "I would hate to pull it out and then have to put it back in." Little added, "it shouldn't be more than a couple of minutes" to dispatch unwanted felines to that big litter box in the sky. Little, who works at the Department of Environmental Conservation office in Stony Brook, L.I., admitted offering the drowning advice in the taped call Oct. 2. "You can trap and destroy them if they are not somebody's pet," he said yesterday. But cat lovers branded drowning as cruel and inhumane punishment, especially when the victim could be a neighbor's innocent pet. "There are other ways to euthanize an animal," said Stephanie Boyles, a PETA biologist. PETA is using the recording in a campaign to persuade the state to abandon what the group says is an "inhumane" approach to nuisance animals. The group has courted controversy in the past by throwing paint at women in fur coats, threatening to disrupt sport-fishing tournaments to save fish and posting ads linking milk with cancer. PETA says the drowning advice flies in the face of Buster's Law, a state anti-cruelty statute named for a tortured tabby cat in upstate Schenectady. But the departments touts drowning as a humane way of dealing with problem animals, although cats are not listed among the nuisance species. Mark Lowery, a department spokesman, said his office gets dozens of calls on how to remove animals such as opossums, skunks and wild cats. "Whether something is humane or not is a judgment call," he said. "Many homeowners are not prepared to destroy the animal in any other way" because they don't own guns. But an Albany-based spokesman for the department, Pete Constantakes, insisted the agency has no advice to give on unwanted cats. "We're not advocating the drowning of cats," he said. "They're not classified by us as wild animals."

11-04-2002, 02:44 AM	#2
mirrar Braindead Location: in our bedroom, after the war. Posts: 19,826	shudder thats fucking digusting. I'm going to end up the crazy old lady with 50 cats because of shit like this.

11-04-2002, 04:12 AM	#3
beef curtains Immortal Location: I like me so much better when you're naked Posts: 21,752

11-04-2002, 10:41 AM	#6
obscured01 Minion of Satan Location: DFW Tejas Posts: 9,693	That's horrible. Jesus, why can't they just put them to sleep like everyone else? If they're wild, then shoot them with a tranquilizer, then transport them back to the animal shelter and put them to sleep?! Stupid people. I hope that's a joke or something.

11-04-2002, 04:12 PM	#11
Apart Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,039	yet ANOTHER thread where you petty fools get hot and bothered about something that has nothing to do with you. and its funny as fucking hell....losers. drown the cats!!! drown em all!!! "meow!...meow!!....meo..garggle...boobgarrbleeerrow w!!!..gasp....dead kitty floats"

11-04-2002, 05:45 PM	#12
noir cat Socialphobic Location: Hicksville, NY Posts: 11,699	That's terrible.

11-04-2002, 06:21 PM	#15
Kalsedony Ownz Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 766	Someone should drown Doug Little. And then PETA.

11-04-2002, 06:38 PM	#17
Undone Apocalyptic Poster Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,335	There was a similar problem at my college in the 1980s with feral cats, however, it most likely wasn't at quite the scale as with a city. The cats were going to be killed, and that's when Campus Action for Animals was formed. Instead of having them killed, the cats were captured, fixed, and released. This is a COMPLETELY cruelty-free way of dealing with large numbers of animals, and we all know that the pet population is gigantic to begin with as thousands upon thousands are killed every week. As far as the people-power required to do that, PETA and various humane societies would be happy to take up the duty. I'm glad this was caught on tape so that he could be shown a better way of dealing with living things.

11-04-2002, 07:23 PM	#28
Toast Apocalyptic Poster Location: Woodinville, Wa. Posts: 3,193	They should skin the cats and use the fur to clothe the homeless.