question about MCIS record sales

twilightfadez · 11-29-2003, 06:06 PM

is there an official source that says how many copies where sold, and if it was indeed the best selling album or cd of all time. i remember this being dismissed..something about being the best selling cd but NOT album....
i already searched spfc and i can't find much, but its probably cos i'm not searching as much as i should

Thoughtless · 11-29-2003, 06:08 PM

howard knows. howard knows all.

twilightfadez · 11-29-2003, 06:13 PM

awww howard

i missed him so much this week *sigh*

sphere · 11-29-2003, 06:22 PM

i heard before that it was the best sold DOUBLE cd ever. sold more than michael jackson's "history".

Gary · 06:26 PM

MCIS is 9x Platinum (last time i checked). This means that there are more than 4.5 but less than 5 million sales of the album itself. These sales are doubled as each CD contains more than 60 minutes of music.

and yes, it has sold more than HIStory. I think the Wall is the best selling double CD of all time, though im not sure if RIAA counts LP Sales as well as CD sales.

twilightfadez · 11-29-2003, 06:28 PM

The Wall! i couldn't remember what record it was that had the best selling numbers....
but i think they do ******* LP thus making The Wall the best selling album of all history
hmm...i wonder if all this stuff is on billboard. i need an official source!

Gary · 11-29-2003, 06:32 PM

The wall isn't the best selling CD of all time, it is 25x Platnum (12.5 mil sales), whereas the Eagles Greatest Hits is 27x Platinum and has 27mil Sales. www.riaa.org has the info, but its down at the minute.

Also, i do not know how the Eagles managed to sell 27million copies of their greatest hits album.

TheJoker · 11-29-2003, 07:03 PM

the eagles album doesn't count. it's a greatest hit's collection, not an album.

Gary · 11-29-2003, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by TheJoker
the eagles album doesn't count. it's a greatest hit's collection, not an album.

According to the RIAA it does

P.S - I was 2 million off on sales of the Wall. And reading that list makes me hate the record buying public.

Crono · 11-29-2003, 07:29 PM

Gary, you seem to be using the english system where 500k sales means platinum, and not the American system of 1 million sales meaning platinum. That's what I remember, at least, and I know that MCIS has sold over 7 million copies.

Injektilo · 11-29-2003, 07:31 PM

I think its been established that MCIS is the best selling album of new studio material originally released on CD. So live cds and greatest hits don't count, and album released on vinyl don't count.

twilightfadez · 07:37 PM

i'm so confused..where the fuck is mcis?

edit: n/m i s saw it..all the way in tfukcing bottom

twilightfadez · 11-29-2003, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Injektilo
I think its been established that MCIS is the best selling album of new studio material originally released on CD. So live cds and greatest hits don't count, and album released on vinyl don't count.

source? somebody asked me to give them an official source where it says this...

Gary · 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crono
Gary, you seem to be using the english system where 500k sales means platinum, and not the American system of 1 million sales meaning platinum. That's what I remember, at least, and I know that MCIS has sold over 7 million copies.

I'm going by the RIAA's system (it only counts US Sales I believe), also, the UK system is 300k sold for platinum status, 100k for gold & 60k for silver.

edit: I see where you think my logic is fucked up now. To explain, the RIAA count your normal album as 1 million sales = 1x Platinum (e.g Siamese Dream has sold 4 million Copies, therefore it is 4x Platinum).

However for Double/Triple etc. albums it is counted differently. for these albums every CD with more than 60mins of music each individual sale is counted as an extra sale (i.e 1 double cd is counted as 2 sales) therefore in Mellon Collies example it is 9x Platinum, but has only sold 4.5 million copies.

Rider · 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary

I'm going by the RIAA's system (it only counts US Sales I believe), also, the UK system is 300k sold for platinum status, 100k for gold & 60k for silver.

edit: I see where you think my logic is fucked up now. To explain, the RIAA count your normal album as 1 million sales = 1x Platinum (e.g Siamese Dream has sold 4 million Copies, therefore it is 4x Platinum).

However for Double/Triple etc. albums it is counted differently. for these albums every CD with more than 60mins of music each individual sale is counted as an extra sale (i.e 1 double cd is counted as 2 sales) therefore in Mellon Collies example it is 9x Platinum, but has only sold 4.5 million copies.

To put it simply, they count a double album sale twice. For every one album sold the mark it as 2.

Crono · 11-29-2003, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rider

To put it simply, they count a double album sale twice. For every one album sold the mark it as 2.

Thank you, I fail at english. And reading. And writing.

Gary · 11-29-2003, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by Crono

Thank you, I fail at english. And reading. And writing.

I passed English Reading and Writing with flying colors

.

I also have a shit job

sphere · 11-30-2003, 12:32 AM

i also heard before that Gish was the best selling indie album of all time. 750K copies. is this true?

Gary · 11-30-2003, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by sphere
i also heard before that Gish was the best selling indie album of all time. 750K copies. is this true?

Gish = Hut Recordings (only sold about 5- 10k on Caroline i think). Hut is most definatly not an Indie label. I'd guess maybe Nirvana - Bleach is the best selling indie record, and also the only reason Sub Pop still exists.

Crono · 11-30-2003, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary

I passed English Reading and Writing with flying colors .

I also have a shit job

I forgot to thank you for the informative post.

mono · 11-30-2003, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Injektilo
I think its been established that MCIS is the best selling album of new studio material originally released on CD. So live cds and greatest hits don't count, and album released on vinyl don't count.

mcis was released on vinyl also!

Porcelina Ruby · 11-30-2003, 06:59 AM

gracefull swans of never

doesn't the radio guy said it sold 13 million copies world wide!?

Injektilo · 11-30-2003, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mono

mcis was released on vinyl also!

yeah, but it was mostly released on CD, which is/was the dominant medium, where as when The Wall was released, vinyl was.

Cathy. I don't have an official source on this because there isn't really one. You just take all the other double albums that have sold more than MCIS, and after all the live ones (ie Garth Brooks has a live one that sold 3X as many as MCIS I believe) and the greatest hits ones (ie the Eagles) and the ones not originally released on CD (ie The Wall) are taken out, MCIS is first.

but thats just my understanding.

Injektilo · 11-30-2003, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary

every CD with more than 60mins of music

this is definatly nitpicking, but Dawn to Dusk only has 57 minutes of music on it. Twilight to Starlight has 63, IIRC.

Injektilo · 11-30-2003, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary

Gish = Hut Recordings (only sold about 5- 10k on Caroline i think). Hut is most definatly not an Indie label. I'd guess maybe Nirvana - Bleach is the best selling indie record, and also the only reason Sub Pop still exists.

I thought the Offspring's S.M.A.S.H. (or whatever it was) sold somethinkg like 8 million copies on Epitaph.

aldango · 11-30-2003, 11:23 AM

MCIS is the best selling original double-compact-disc set of all time.

The Wall is the best selling original double-album (including all forms of it - CD, LP, etc) of all time.

sphere · 11-30-2003, 09:04 PM

where can i find an official source about this?

soniclovenoize · 12-01-2003, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Injektilo

yeah, but it was mostly released on CD, which is/was the dominant medium, where as when The Wall was released, vinyl was.

Cathy. I don't have an official source on this because there isn't really one. You just take all the other double albums that have sold more than MCIS, and after all the live ones (ie Garth Brooks has a live one that sold 3X as many as MCIS I believe) and the greatest hits ones (ie the Eagles) and the ones not originally released on CD (ie The Wall) are taken out, MCIS is first.

but thats just my understanding.

If something doesn't fit your paradigm, you can always twist it and bend it until it does.

Junebug · 12-01-2003, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Injektilo

this is definatly nitpicking, but Dawn to Dusk only has 57 minutes of music on it. Twilight to Starlight has 63, IIRC.

i think you're right. But i also thought that it counted as a double album if both disks average of ate least 60 minutes. but i can't remember where I heard that. If it's true though, that would explain the 9x platinum/4.5xmil sales figure. right?

Subliminalhoney · 12-01-2003, 11:39 PM

damn this is sooo confusting.

SO IS IT OR ISNT IT???

11-29-2003, 06:06 PM	#1
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11-29-2003, 06:23 PM	#5
Gary Demi-God Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 373	MCIS is 9x Platinum (last time i checked). This means that there are more than 4.5 but less than 5 million sales of the album itself. These sales are doubled as each CD contains more than 60 minutes of music. and yes, it has sold more than HIStory. I think the Wall is the best selling double CD of all time, though im not sure if RIAA counts LP Sales as well as CD sales. Last edited by Gary : 11-29-2003 at 06:26 PM.

11-29-2003, 06:28 PM	#6
twilightfadez Socialphobic Location: Medellin, CO Posts: 10,517	The Wall! i couldn't remember what record it was that had the best selling numbers.... but i think they do ******* LP thus making The Wall the best selling album of all history hmm...i wonder if all this stuff is on billboard. i need an official source! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. // To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

11-29-2003, 07:34 PM	#12
twilightfadez Socialphobic Location: Medellin, CO Posts: 10,517	i'm so confused..where the fuck is mcis? edit: n/m i s saw it..all the way in tfukcing bottom __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. // To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by twilightfadez : 11-29-2003 at 07:37 PM.

11-29-2003, 06:08 PM	#2
Thoughtless Minion of Satan Location: As far as far can be. Posts: 5,214	howard knows. howard knows all.

11-29-2003, 06:22 PM	#4
sphere Demi-God Posts: 303	i heard before that it was the best sold DOUBLE cd ever. sold more than michael jackson's "history".

11-29-2003, 06:32 PM	#7
Gary Demi-God Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 373	The wall isn't the best selling CD of all time, it is 25x Platnum (12.5 mil sales), whereas the Eagles Greatest Hits is 27x Platinum and has 27mil Sales. www.riaa.org has the info, but its down at the minute. Also, i do not know how the Eagles managed to sell 27million copies of their greatest hits album.

11-29-2003, 07:03 PM	#8
TheJoker Apocalyptic Poster Location: Seattle Posts: 3,292	the eagles album doesn't count. it's a greatest hit's collection, not an album.

11-29-2003, 07:29 PM	#10
Crono Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,266	Gary, you seem to be using the english system where 500k sales means platinum, and not the American system of 1 million sales meaning platinum. That's what I remember, at least, and I know that MCIS has sold over 7 million copies.

11-29-2003, 07:31 PM	#11
Injektilo twenty some years.... Location: the isle of the cheetah Posts: 5,069	I think its been established that MCIS is the best selling album of new studio material originally released on CD. So live cds and greatest hits don't count, and album released on vinyl don't count.

11-30-2003, 12:32 AM	#18
sphere Demi-God Posts: 303	i also heard before that Gish was the best selling indie album of all time. 750K copies. is this true?

11-30-2003, 06:59 AM	#22
Porcelina Ruby Demi-God Posts: 396	gracefull swans of never doesn't the radio guy said it sold 13 million copies world wide!?

11-30-2003, 11:23 AM	#26
aldango Apocalyptic Poster Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,075	MCIS is the best selling original double-compact-disc set of all time. The Wall is the best selling original double-album (including all forms of it - CD, LP, etc) of all time.

11-30-2003, 09:04 PM	#27
sphere Demi-God Posts: 303	where can i find an official source about this?

12-01-2003, 11:39 PM	#30
Subliminalhoney Amish Rake Fighter Location: Massachusetts Posts: 10	damn this is sooo confusting. SO IS IT OR ISNT IT??? __________________ The first time I ever heard SP: I June 9th, 1993 (2:30 pm): I was 9 years old. I just came home from school and I put on the raadio. The DJ Chick said she was gonna play a track off some new cd...It was the song "Quiet", a new cut off Siamese Dream that the DJ wasn't supposed to play. I was in awe. 5 minutes later I changed the tuner to another rock station, and I heard "Today". OH the sarcasm! I was in love.

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