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Samsa · 10-20-2002, 04:14 AM

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Originally posted by The Ace of Aces

None of what you said is true. As far as getting the fuck out of your topic, it's actually Andrew's topic. You don't have any rights to the topic.

You think I am stupid because I don't share your Liberal agenda for society. I'm not an idealist like you.

Saying something of value, really just means something that fits into your view of society. I'm sure 99% of NP would agree that you are the last person who should be attacking people for not having anythign of value to say. Mrs., "how this half-hour of my life went." You and all your "I farted. Read all about it" posts are valueless.

As far as stating the obvious, you are the one who boasted that the serial sniper is "anti-soical." That's fairly obvious.

I'm smarter than that ignorant Target employee you are dating. I can tell you that much. I didn't break down at UC Irvine and lock myself in a room for a year.

If I did those things would you then let me argue with you on an intellecutal level?

...

i rest my case. your posts are worthless and ridiculous. and self-righteous. and wrong. and purposefully misinterpretative. and wishy-washy.

i'm not going to bother to argue with you because every single sentence you said was not only ridiculous, but unfounded, perjorative, misinterpretative, and plain and simply stupid. i'm not going to reinvent the wheel just to explain to you what my point is and how wrong you are about everything you have ever said in your whole life. so quit it.

sppunk · 10-20-2002, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by Samsa

yeah. just give it up. you don't vote because you're apathetic. that doens't mean other people shouldn't. stop fucking telling me and other people what to do.

If I were so apathetic as you say, I wouldn't be arguing with you right now, would I? I'm probably one of the more unapathetic people you'd me. I just have strong opinions, sorry you disagree and take it personal when someone doesn't believe the same thing you do.

And I haven't told you what to do. You're the one who started this topic telling people to go vote. That IS the cat calling the kettle black, or however it goes.

Samsa · 10-20-2002, 04:27 AM

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Originally posted by sppunk

If I were so apathetic as you say, I wouldn't be arguing with you right now, would I? I'm probably one of the more unapathetic people you'd me. I just have strong opinions, sorry you disagree and take it personal when someone doesn't believe the same thing you do.

you're apathetic about your responsibilities to our republic. maybe you're apathetic because you disagree with representative democracy, although i don't see how that's possible. go on. live in somalia.

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And I haven't told you what to do. You're the one who started this topic telling people to go vote. That IS the cat calling the kettle black, or however it goes.

hm. because voting is important. you don't seem to understand that our country was founded and it's total ability to function rests on whether or not people vote. that's all there is to it. i seriously don't think my giving people helpful websites should they want to vote is synonomous with you sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong starting an argument with me. i wasn't trying to start a fucking argument. it's pretty obvious if you're not completely anti-representative democracy that it's important devote. you started an argument where you shouldn't have. if you don't want to vote, then ignore my topic. there's no fucking reason why you should come in here poisoning people's minds. did you not SEE the washington post article i linked ? and you STILL continue your ridiculous argument? whatever. you shouldn't have stuck your nose where it didn't belong. i hate when people turn my topics into flame wars. no reason whatsoever for you to start harrassing me and hijacking my topic away from its original intention. fuck you.

10-20-2002, 04:33 AM

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Originally posted by Samsa

hm. because voting is important. you don't seem to understand that our country was founded and it's total ability to function rests on whether or not people vote.

no reason whatsoever for you to start harrassing me and hijacking my topic away from its original intention. fuck you.

(A) If our country was founded on the principle that every person's vote is important, than why the electoral college?

At least as I understand it, if you read some of the legislative history of the Constitution there is evidence that the founding fathers really wanted to make sure common people were not given too much power in terms of voting, because they thought that only the intellecutally superior people should determine who runs the country.

They felt like people would have their say through town meetings and what not once the elected officials were in office.

(B) Your hijacking comments are pretty much dictatorial mumbo-jumbo. Not very democratic at all. "Get the fuck out of my topic."
Kind of hypocritical to put that in a topic about the importance of voting, huh.

Samsa · 10-20-2002, 04:36 AM

[quote]Originally posted by The Ace of Aces

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(A) If our country was founded on the principle that every person's vote is important, than why the electoral college?

At least as I understand it, if you read some of the legislative history of the Constitution there is evidence that the founding fathers really wanted to make sure common people were not given too much power in terms of voting, because they thought that only the intellecutally superior people should determine who runs the country.

They felt like people would have their say through town meetings and what not once the elected officials were in office.

that still doesn't make voting completely irrelevant or unimportant. the founding fathers were wary of mass rule. they were rich landowners and terrified of redistribution of property. it still doesn't mean we don't live in a representative democracy. and it still doesn't mean that people's votes [generally] determine the outcome of an election and in the longer run, the direction of the country.

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(B) Your hijacking comments are pretty much dictatorial mumbo-jumbo. Not very democratic at all. "Get the fuck out of my topic."
Kind of hypocritical to put that in a topic about the importance of voting, huh.

or expressions of frustration that my topic which was intended to just be helpful and friendly turned into a nasty flame war.

Samsa · 10-20-2002, 04:50 AM

PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT #1
Article VI, Judiciary, Section 1

Judicial Power and Jurisdiction

BALLOT QUESTION

Question: Shall the Constitution of Virginia be amended to permit the Supreme Court to consider, as part of its original jurisdiction, claims of actual innocence presented by convicted felons in the cases and manner provided by the General Assembly?

EXPLANATION

This amendment concerns cases in which a person is convicted of a felony but is later able to prove his "actual innocence" because of new scientific or DNA evidence that is discovered after his conviction. The new evidence shows that the person did not commit the felony and was wrongly convicted.

The amendment provides that the Supreme Court may "consider claims of actual innocence presented by convicted felons in such cases and in such manner as may be provided by the General Assembly" as part of the Court's original jurisdiction. Article VI, Section 1, establishes the Supreme Court and provides that it may hear some matters as part of its "original" jurisdiction and other matters as part of its "appellate" jurisdiction.

Most cases reach the Supreme Court by an appeal from a lower court and fall within its "appellate" jurisdiction. Section 1 lists the matters that the Supreme Court hears as part of its "original" jurisdiction. These are special situations: for example, habeas corpus petitions and matters involving the discipline of a judge.

A vote to approve this proposed amendment will make it clear that the Supreme Court may consider a claim of actual innocence without requiring the person to file the claim first in a lower court. If the voters approve the proposed amendment, it will take effect November 15, 2002.

The amendment provides that the General Assembly will provide by law for the details of what claims may be filed and the procedures that must be followed to file these claims. The General Assembly has enacted a law to implement this proposed amendment. That law will also take effect November 15, 2002. [Code of Virginia, Title 19.2, Ch. 19.2, §§ 19.2-327.2 through 19.2-327.6. Issuance of Writ of Actual Innocence.]

In brief, that law spells out in detail when and how a convicted felon may petition the Supreme Court to issue a writ of actual innocence. The petition must claim that the petitioner is actually innocent of the crime for which he was convicted, set out an exact description of the human biological or DNA evidence and testing supporting his innocence, and explain that the evidence was not available when the petitioner was convicted. The Supreme Court may dismiss or grant the petition and may overturn or modify the conviction after it considers the petition and the Commonwealth's response, the previous records of the case, and other evidence it may require.

i voted yes for this and now that i have read the actual information (although i basically knew all that at voting time) i still agree with my voting decision

PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT # 2

Article X, Taxation and Finance, Section 6

Exempt Property

BALLOT QUESTION

Question: Shall the Constitution of Virginia be amended to allow localities by ordinance, rather than the General Assembly by law, to exempt property from taxation that is used for charitable and certain other purposes, subject to the restrictions and conditions provided by general law?

EXPLANATION

Generally, the Constitution provides that all property shall be taxed and then provides how various types of property may be exempted from taxes. This amendment changes how certain types of property may be exempted from taxes.

Subsection (a) (6) of Article X, Section 6, now provides that the General Assembly may exempt property "used by its owner for religious, charitable, patriotic, historical, benevolent, cultural, or public park and playground purposes."

This subsection provides that the General Assembly may exempt this category of property in either of two ways -- classification or designation. First, it may pass a law to exempt property belonging to a class or type of organization. It has passed a number of these laws. For example, it has exempted the real and personal property that belongs to non-profit volunteer fire departments and rescue squads and is used for the benefit of the general public.

Second, it may pass a law to exempt the property of a designated non-profit organization. It has passed hundreds of these laws to exempt the property of specific, named organizations. The General Assembly requires a resolution by the local governing body in support of the exemption.

The proposed amendment authorizes the local governing body to exempt such property by an ordinance and eliminates the need for action by the General Assembly. The amendment provides that the local governing body may adopt an ordinance to exempt property "used by its owner for religious, charitable, patriotic, historical, benevolent, cultural, or public park and playground purposes." The General Assembly will continue to have authority to enact laws setting out restrictions and conditions on these tax exemptions.

A vote to approve this proposed amendment will provide for these tax exemptions to be authorized by the local governing body rather than by the General Assembly. If the voters approve the proposed amendment, it will take effect January 1, 2003.

i voted no for this. without having a great amount of in-depth knowledge of non-profit designation, i don't see a great problem with how things work now and i feel wary about having things on such an intensely local level.
PROPOSED BOND ISSUE, QUESTION #1
EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES

Question: Shall Chapters 827 and 859, Acts of the General Assembly of 2002, authorizing the issuance of general obligation bonds of the Commonwealth of Virginia in the maximum amount of $900,488,645 pursuant to Article X, Section 9(b) of the Constitution of Virginia for capital projects for educational facilities, take effect?

EXPLANATION

On April 18, 2002, the Governor signed into law Senate Bill No. 31/House Bill No. 99, the Commonwealth of Virginia Educational Facilities Bond Act of 2002 (or "the Act"). Virginia law requires a majority of voters in a statewide referendum to vote in favor of the Act before it can become effective.

The purpose of the Act is to allow the Commonwealth to sell bonds to raise funds to pay for capital projects at state-supported colleges, universities, museums and other educational facilities. The Constitution of Virginia in Section 9(b) of Article X provides that the General Assembly may authorize the creation of debt to pay for capital projects. If this Act is approved, the Commonwealth may issue Commonwealth of Virginia General Obligation Bonds and sell the bonds to raise funds to pay for specific capital projects. The capital projects contemplated in the Act have an estimated useful life of more than twenty-five years and *******, but are not limited to, capital projects for the renovation of instructional facilities, construction of new academic space, construction of new research space, upgrades to heating and cooling systems, and improvements for handicapped accessibility. The total amount of bonds the Commonwealth could issue pursuant to the Act is no more than $900,488,645 (nine hundred million, four hundred eighty-eight thousand, six hundred forty-five dollars), and no bond may be outstanding for more than twenty-five years. The Act and related laws govern the details regarding the creation, issuance and repayment of the bonds, as well as the use of the funds generated by the sale of the bonds. The educational institutions that would receive funds pursuant to the Act are:

Christopher Newport University
The College of William and Mary
George Mason University
James Madison University
Longwood College
Mary Washington College
Norfolk State University
Old Dominion University
Radford University
University of Virginia
University of Virginia's College at Wise
Virginia Commonwealth University
Virginia Military Institute
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Virginia State University
Richard Bland College
Virginia Community College System
Virginia Institute of Marine Science
Virginia Cooperative Extension/Virginia Agriculture Experiment Station
Southwest Virginia Higher Education Center
Jamestown-Yorktown Foundation
Science Museum of Virginia
Virginia Museum of Fine Arts
Frontier Culture Museum

of course i voted yes to this. my college is undergoing major budget problems. 'nuff said.

PROPOSED BOND ISSUE, QUESTION #1
EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES

Question: Shall Chapters 827 and 859, Acts of the General Assembly of 2002, authorizing the issuance of general obligation bonds of the Commonwealth of Virginia in the maximum amount of $900,488,645 pursuant to Article X, Section 9(b) of the Constitution of Virginia for capital projects for educational facilities, take effect?

EXPLANATION

On April 18, 2002, the Governor signed into law Senate Bill No. 31/House Bill No. 99, the Commonwealth of Virginia Educational Facilities Bond Act of 2002 (or "the Act"). Virginia law requires a majority of voters in a statewide referendum to vote in favor of the Act before it can become effective.

The purpose of the Act is to allow the Commonwealth to sell bonds to raise funds to pay for capital projects at state-supported colleges, universities, museums and other educational facilities. The Constitution of Virginia in Section 9(b) of Article X provides that the General Assembly may authorize the creation of debt to pay for capital projects. If this Act is approved, the Commonwealth may issue Commonwealth of Virginia General Obligation Bonds and sell the bonds to raise funds to pay for specific capital projects. The capital projects contemplated in the Act have an estimated useful life of more than twenty-five years and *******, but are not limited to, capital projects for the renovation of instructional facilities, construction of new academic space, construction of new research space, upgrades to heating and cooling systems, and improvements for handicapped accessibility. The total amount of bonds the Commonwealth could issue pursuant to the Act is no more than $900,488,645 (nine hundred million, four hundred eighty-eight thousand, six hundred forty-five dollars), and no bond may be outstanding for more than twenty-five years. The Act and related laws govern the details regarding the creation, issuance and repayment of the bonds, as well as the use of the funds generated by the sale of the bonds. The educational institutions that would receive funds pursuant to the Act are:

Christopher Newport University
The College of William and Mary
George Mason University
James Madison University
Longwood College
Mary Washington College
Norfolk State University
Old Dominion University
Radford University
University of Virginia
University of Virginia's College at Wise
Virginia Commonwealth University
Virginia Military Institute
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Virginia State University
Richard Bland College
Virginia Community College System
Virginia Institute of Marine Science
Virginia Cooperative Extension/Virginia Agriculture Experiment Station
Southwest Virginia Higher Education Center
Jamestown-Yorktown Foundation
Science Museum of Virginia
Virginia Museum of Fine Arts
Frontier Culture Museum

i voted yes to this but with a certain amount of wariness. overall i think it's a good idea.

**

case settled?

i didn't make any uneducated votes whatsoever. thank you.

Fattening Ass · 10-20-2002, 07:05 AM

10-20-2002, 04:50 AM	#36
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	and oh yeah. re my 'uninformed voting process' PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT #1 Article VI, Judiciary, Section 1 Judicial Power and Jurisdiction BALLOT QUESTION Question: Shall the Constitution of Virginia be amended to permit the Supreme Court to consider, as part of its original jurisdiction, claims of actual innocence presented by convicted felons in the cases and manner provided by the General Assembly? EXPLANATION This amendment concerns cases in which a person is convicted of a felony but is later able to prove his "actual innocence" because of new scientific or DNA evidence that is discovered after his conviction. The new evidence shows that the person did not commit the felony and was wrongly convicted. The amendment provides that the Supreme Court may "consider claims of actual innocence presented by convicted felons in such cases and in such manner as may be provided by the General Assembly" as part of the Court's original jurisdiction. Article VI, Section 1, establishes the Supreme Court and provides that it may hear some matters as part of its "original" jurisdiction and other matters as part of its "appellate" jurisdiction. Most cases reach the Supreme Court by an appeal from a lower court and fall within its "appellate" jurisdiction. Section 1 lists the matters that the Supreme Court hears as part of its "original" jurisdiction. These are special situations: for example, habeas corpus petitions and matters involving the discipline of a judge. A vote to approve this proposed amendment will make it clear that the Supreme Court may consider a claim of actual innocence without requiring the person to file the claim first in a lower court. If the voters approve the proposed amendment, it will take effect November 15, 2002. The amendment provides that the General Assembly will provide by law for the details of what claims may be filed and the procedures that must be followed to file these claims. The General Assembly has enacted a law to implement this proposed amendment. That law will also take effect November 15, 2002. [Code of Virginia, Title 19.2, Ch. 19.2, §§ 19.2-327.2 through 19.2-327.6. Issuance of Writ of Actual Innocence.] In brief, that law spells out in detail when and how a convicted felon may petition the Supreme Court to issue a writ of actual innocence. The petition must claim that the petitioner is actually innocent of the crime for which he was convicted, set out an exact description of the human biological or DNA evidence and testing supporting his innocence, and explain that the evidence was not available when the petitioner was convicted. The Supreme Court may dismiss or grant the petition and may overturn or modify the conviction after it considers the petition and the Commonwealth's response, the previous records of the case, and other evidence it may require. i voted yes for this and now that i have read the actual information (although i basically knew all that at voting time) i still agree with my voting decision PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT # 2 Article X, Taxation and Finance, Section 6 Exempt Property BALLOT QUESTION Question: Shall the Constitution of Virginia be amended to allow localities by ordinance, rather than the General Assembly by law, to exempt property from taxation that is used for charitable and certain other purposes, subject to the restrictions and conditions provided by general law? EXPLANATION Generally, the Constitution provides that all property shall be taxed and then provides how various types of property may be exempted from taxes. This amendment changes how certain types of property may be exempted from taxes. Subsection (a) (6) of Article X, Section 6, now provides that the General Assembly may exempt property "used by its owner for religious, charitable, patriotic, historical, benevolent, cultural, or public park and playground purposes." This subsection provides that the General Assembly may exempt this category of property in either of two ways -- classification or designation. First, it may pass a law to exempt property belonging to a class or type of organization. It has passed a number of these laws. For example, it has exempted the real and personal property that belongs to non-profit volunteer fire departments and rescue squads and is used for the benefit of the general public. Second, it may pass a law to exempt the property of a designated non-profit organization. It has passed hundreds of these laws to exempt the property of specific, named organizations. The General Assembly requires a resolution by the local governing body in support of the exemption. The proposed amendment authorizes the local governing body to exempt such property by an ordinance and eliminates the need for action by the General Assembly. The amendment provides that the local governing body may adopt an ordinance to exempt property "used by its owner for religious, charitable, patriotic, historical, benevolent, cultural, or public park and playground purposes." The General Assembly will continue to have authority to enact laws setting out restrictions and conditions on these tax exemptions. A vote to approve this proposed amendment will provide for these tax exemptions to be authorized by the local governing body rather than by the General Assembly. If the voters approve the proposed amendment, it will take effect January 1, 2003. i voted no for this. without having a great amount of in-depth knowledge of non-profit designation, i don't see a great problem with how things work now and i feel wary about having things on such an intensely local level. PROPOSED BOND ISSUE, QUESTION #1 EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES Question: Shall Chapters 827 and 859, Acts of the General Assembly of 2002, authorizing the issuance of general obligation bonds of the Commonwealth of Virginia in the maximum amount of $900,488,645 pursuant to Article X, Section 9(b) of the Constitution of Virginia for capital projects for educational facilities, take effect? EXPLANATION On April 18, 2002, the Governor signed into law Senate Bill No. 31/House Bill No. 99, the Commonwealth of Virginia Educational Facilities Bond Act of 2002 (or "the Act"). Virginia law requires a majority of voters in a statewide referendum to vote in favor of the Act before it can become effective. The purpose of the Act is to allow the Commonwealth to sell bonds to raise funds to pay for capital projects at state-supported colleges, universities, museums and other educational facilities. The Constitution of Virginia in Section 9(b) of Article X provides that the General Assembly may authorize the creation of debt to pay for capital projects. If this Act is approved, the Commonwealth may issue Commonwealth of Virginia General Obligation Bonds and sell the bonds to raise funds to pay for specific capital projects. The capital projects contemplated in the Act have an estimated useful life of more than twenty-five years and *****, but are not limited to, capital projects for the renovation of instructional facilities, construction of new academic space, construction of new research space, upgrades to heating and cooling systems, and improvements for handicapped accessibility. The total amount of bonds the Commonwealth could issue pursuant to the Act is no more than $900,488,645 (nine hundred million, four hundred eighty-eight thousand, six hundred forty-five dollars), and no bond may be outstanding for more than twenty-five years. The Act and related laws govern the details regarding the creation, issuance and repayment of the bonds, as well as the use of the funds generated by the sale of the bonds. The educational institutions that would receive funds pursuant to the Act are: Christopher Newport University The College of William and Mary George Mason University James Madison University Longwood College Mary Washington College Norfolk State University Old Dominion University Radford University University of Virginia University of Virginia's College at Wise Virginia Commonwealth University Virginia Military Institute Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Virginia State University Richard Bland College Virginia Community College System Virginia Institute of Marine Science Virginia Cooperative Extension/Virginia Agriculture Experiment Station Southwest Virginia Higher Education Center Jamestown-Yorktown Foundation Science Museum of Virginia Virginia Museum of Fine Arts Frontier Culture Museum of course i voted yes to this. my college is undergoing major budget problems. 'nuff said. PROPOSED BOND ISSUE, QUESTION #1 EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES Question: Shall Chapters 827 and 859, Acts of the General Assembly of 2002, authorizing the issuance of general obligation bonds of the Commonwealth of Virginia in the maximum amount of $900,488,645 pursuant to Article X, Section 9(b) of the Constitution of Virginia for capital projects for educational facilities, take effect? EXPLANATION On April 18, 2002, the Governor signed into law Senate Bill No. 31/House Bill No. 99, the Commonwealth of Virginia Educational Facilities Bond Act of 2002 (or "the Act"). Virginia law requires a majority of voters in a statewide referendum to vote in favor of the Act before it can become effective. The purpose of the Act is to allow the Commonwealth to sell bonds to raise funds to pay for capital projects at state-supported colleges, universities, museums and other educational facilities. The Constitution of Virginia in Section 9(b) of Article X provides that the General Assembly may authorize the creation of debt to pay for capital projects. If this Act is approved, the Commonwealth may issue Commonwealth of Virginia General Obligation Bonds and sell the bonds to raise funds to pay for specific capital projects. The capital projects contemplated in the Act have an estimated useful life of more than twenty-five years and ***, but are not limited to, capital projects for the renovation of instructional facilities, construction of new academic space, construction of new research space, upgrades to heating and cooling systems, and improvements for handicapped accessibility. The total amount of bonds the Commonwealth could issue pursuant to the Act is no more than $900,488,645 (nine hundred million, four hundred eighty-eight thousand, six hundred forty-five dollars), and no bond may be outstanding for more than twenty-five years. The Act and related laws govern the details regarding the creation, issuance and repayment of the bonds, as well as the use of the funds generated by the sale of the bonds. The educational institutions that would receive funds pursuant to the Act are: Christopher Newport University The College of William and Mary George Mason University James Madison University Longwood College Mary Washington College Norfolk State University Old Dominion University Radford University University of Virginia University of Virginia's College at Wise Virginia Commonwealth University Virginia Military Institute Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Virginia State University Richard Bland College Virginia Community College System Virginia Institute of Marine Science Virginia Cooperative Extension/Virginia Agriculture Experiment Station Southwest Virginia Higher Education Center Jamestown-Yorktown Foundation Science Museum of Virginia Virginia Museum of Fine Arts Frontier Culture Museum i voted yes to this but with a certain amount of wariness. overall i think it's a good idea. case settled? i didn't make any uneducated votes whatsoever. thank you.

10-20-2002, 07:05 AM	#37
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