Chrysanthemum - a wish unwished, a hope unhoped

[Funbags]

THERE ARE ZWAN SOUNDBOARD RECORDINGS??!????

[houseofglass11]

Last Zwan show soundboard:
https://archive.org/details/zwan2003...-13fm-t04.flac

Few days earlier at Pinkpop soundboard:
https://archive.org/details/zwan2003-06-09.flac16

[enthusaroo]

I thought 'Chrysanthemum' was just a marketing ploy for Madam ZooZoo's.

[run2pee]

Gosh i miss that early zwan feeling

Like resurrection was possible, once

[Funbags]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Last Zwan show soundboard:
https://archive.org/details/zwan2003...-13fm-t04.flac

Few days earlier at Pinkpop soundboard:
https://archive.org/details/zwan2003-06-09.flac16

Thanks for the Pielachtal Festivalgelaende one!! I hadn't heard that and it's got good separation of the guitars so you can hear Pajo and Matt.

I was thinking there were soundboards of the 2001 shows available.

EDIT: Ooops no I've heard the Pielachtal Festivalgelaende boot. It's a good one.

[Ram27]

Corgan has them. They're just sitting there.

[VoxUpDoc]

I've been listening to the late 2001 Zwan shows. 18 years ago.

Fuck me, William, what were you doing canning all these songs?

Girl with the Cruel Face.... played twice. It needed condensing down to 5-7mins in the studio, but it's the opener of one of the best albums he never put out.

Just played twice and dropped.

[houseofglass11]

Culture just wasn't ready for it.

[VoxUpDoc]

How the Zwan albums should have been released:

"ZWAN" - Feb 2002

1.Chrysanthemum
2. Permanence
3. El Sol
4. How Things Are / Glorious
5. Cast A Stone
6. The Empty Sea
7. Jesus, I
8. The Shining Path
9. What Have They Done To Me?
10. Sorrow
11. Never Give Up
12. Declarations of Faith
13. My Life & Times
14. Of A Broken Heart

B-sides: Spilled Milk, Don't Let Me Down (cover)

"Djali Zwan" - Sept 2002

1. Girl With A Cruel Face
2. Wasting Time
3. Candy Came Calling
4. El-A-Noy
5. Number of the Beast
6. Whatever, Wherever
7. Spy Tra La
8. WP
9. Danger Boy
10. For Your Love
11. Think You Know
12. Revolve
13. Freedom Ain't What it Used to Be
14. Careless Love
15. Pony Express
16. Song For Judy

B-side: Solace & Serenity, Roma Girl, Ring the Bells, Love to Love.

"MSOTS" - 2003

1. Lyric
2. Settle Down
3. Friends As Lovers
4. Honestly
5. Ride A Black Swan
6. Riverview
7. Endless Summer
8. Mary Star of the Sea
9. Love Lies In Ruin
10. Desire
11. Rivers We Can't Cross
12. A New Poetry

B-sides: Yeah, Baby, Let's Rock!, To Wonder

Sadly I was not on hand to personally advise Billy at this time.

[Funbags]

This guy knows what's up.

[Mals Marola]

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[aztec litany service]

Originally Posted by Woody

I've been listening to the late 2001 Zwan shows. 18 years ago.

Fuck me, William, what were you doing canning all these songs?

Girl with the Cruel Face.... played twice. It needed condensing down to 5-7mins in the studio, but it's the opener of one of the best albums he never put out.

Just played twice and dropped.

My fav zwan song. And I mean the 15min version
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LHsfJLNyb-Y

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by Woody

Sadly I was not on hand to personally advise Billy at this time.

Now the only step is to assemble the best bootlegs to actually make these downloadable things! ('cause I sure as hell ain't doing the assembling!)

[ava transformer]

It was my favorite song from the jump at the Zwan glass house show in Pomona. I just hate every version I had my hands on had annoying fan boy screaming in it. But those were truly good ole days those first Zwan shows..

[Funbags]

Originally Posted by ava transformer

It was my favorite song from the jump at the Zwan glass house show in Pomona. I just hate every version I had my hands on had annoying fan boy screaming in it. But those were truly good ole days those first Zwan shows..

Yeah, I've collected every bootleg of Chrysanthemum looking for the best balance between instruments. Matt's playing something different to Billy but all the guitars are mush. I'd love to hear the soundboards from these shows. You know Billy has 'em.

[Raskolnikov]

Originally Posted by Ram27

love your ode to Chrysanthemum so much but this part...

I wonder if those two ever talked through that serious snubbing. If I was Billy, that would always be something that I'd wonder about.

I can't fathom being so mad/tired of somebody to where I'd leave a last show after that many years together and not want some closure myself.

[Gooch]

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I wonder if those two ever talked through that serious snubbing. If I was Billy, that would always be something that I'd wonder about.

I can't fathom being so mad/tired of somebody to where I'd leave a last show after that many years together and not want some closure myself.

Also, fwiw, we only know Bollys side of the story. For all we know Bill might have said something insulting to James or caused him to leave like that. Bills not the most easy person to get along with. Which is why they may have made amends recently once James explained the situation. Hypothetically if Billy said to James before the last show, “calm down James they’re not here to see you, they’re here to see me” which I could totally see BC saying in his snarky joking way, I would leave with out saying goodbye too..

[Big Truck05]

I always thought the energy of this band was exceptional.

I think the music gave Billy a better vocal range, too, and he didn't do that post 2003 shit where he just sings the vowel sounds in the lyrics.

Paz is so hot.

This was a great show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeqaZ00f3jA

[topleybird]

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I can't fathom being so mad/tired of somebody to where I'd leave a last show after that many years together and not want some closure myself.

I always thought it was a tribute to beloved actor Max Wright, who played the father on ALF for four brutal seasons

Originally Posted by Alf wikipedia article

Max Wright stated that he despised supporting a technically demanding inanimate object that received most of the good lines of dialogue. He admitted to being "hugely eager to have ALF over with."[9] Artie Lange, who later worked with Wright on The Norm Show, told of a time when Wright had become "crazed" and attacked ALF, causing producers to have to pull Wright off the puppet.[10] Anne Schedeen added that on the last night of taping, "there was one take and Max walked off the set, went to his dressing room, got his bags, went to his car and disappeared... There were no goodbyes."

[topleybird]

[Ram27]

Originally Posted by Woody

I've been listening to the late 2001 Zwan shows. 18 years ago.

Fuck me, William, what were you doing canning all these songs?

Girl with the Cruel Face.... played twice. It needed condensing down to 5-7mins in the studio, but it's the opener of one of the best albums he never put out.

Just played twice and dropped.

COUGARED

Nov 2001 Zwan is better than Gish, Adore, and Machina

_____________

Great lyric in The Empty Sea: I pissed my life away in every way I knew

[Reyngel]

Chrysanthemum is the only Billy-written song I can think of that I heavily dislike, yet fans seem to love it. I just haven't seen what's so good about it. I'm all for me being in the minority, so I don't want to crap all over it or anything. But it really was one of my least favorite songs of that entire era.

[emilem]

is zwan the start of billy using the throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks approach to making albums? just writing and writing and writing. zwan recorded, like, what? 60 songs in 2 years? that's insane. just work until there's something to hang onto, don't just write every day until you have enough songs to go through and cherrypick some for an album. and i don;t mean polish them off in the studio. should've asked pajo, he would know.

[houseofglass11]

Chrysanthemum is a decent poppy rocker but reminds me a lot of that song Speed from the MCIS sessions.

[MyKeyZ]

Originally Posted by Reyngel

Chrysanthemum is the only Billy-written song I can think of that I heavily dislike, yet fans seem to love it. I just haven't seen what's so good about it. I'm all for me being in the minority, so I don't want to crap all over it or anything. But it really was one of my least favorite songs of that entire era.

You are not the only one.

[Raskolnikov]

Originally Posted by topleybird

I always thought it was a tribute to beloved actor Max Wright, who played the father on ALF for four brutal seasons

This sheds major light on a majorly difficult to understand saga from American TV history, as well as American alt-rock history. James does seem like the kind of guy that would have been MAJORLY into Alf.

Also, in related news... glad James came back from the dark side or he would have been driven to hard drugs and whoredoms much like our friend Max CLEARLY was, if this YouTube video that I just stumbled across is any indicator:


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[Raskolnikov]

Also, EXCELLENT music choice for a video that is wholly radically depressing at spots:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sXsnGmTBjo