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09-17-2018, 02:35 PM | #1231 |
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William Patrice "Billy" Corcoran
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09-17-2018, 02:46 PM | #1232 |
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William Crystal "It's the Modern Way" Croger
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09-17-2018, 05:18 PM | #1233 |
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09-17-2018, 05:42 PM | #1234 |
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GARBAGE are just on tour in Germany with their 20th anniversary of the 2.0 album. In Cologne you could still get tickets at the E-Werk, which has a capacity of 2000 people. Berlin's Huxley with 1600 sold out. Corgan only wanted to tour shiny and so bright in Europe at 10 to 15000 capacity venues. No wonder most promoters showed him the tipping finger. I even doubt if the Smashing Pumpkins could sell 5000 tickets for a concert here in Germany with their trio-reunion... Last edited by Corgan's Bluff : 09-17-2018 at 06:07 PM. |
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09-17-2018, 05:52 PM | #1235 |
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To be fair Garbage were never anywhere near as big a draw as the Pumpkins
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09-17-2018, 05:55 PM | #1236 |
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09-17-2018, 06:05 PM | #1237 | |
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Garbage has sold 17 million records. The Smashing Pumpkins 20 million. Which are blown up sometimes now to 30 million. Which is weird. Because they could have never sold another 10 million after the split in 2000. Also there is this funny behaviour to double the counting of records for double records: 4 million Mellon Collies became 8 million in record sales. And it's undoubtful that the last records of Gabarge sold much better then the latest SP-releases. Last edited by Corgan's Bluff : 09-18-2018 at 04:46 AM. Reason: Statistics |
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09-17-2018, 06:09 PM | #1238 |
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Last edited by Corgan's Bluff : 09-17-2018 at 07:32 PM. |
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09-17-2018, 06:41 PM | #1239 |
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09-18-2018, 11:30 PM | #1240 |
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William “Piss” Corgan
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09-18-2018, 11:41 PM | #1241 |
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NICE
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09-19-2018, 12:58 AM | #1242 | |
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09-19-2018, 04:50 AM | #1243 |
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Billy blocked me yesterday, just because I asked a reasonably innocent question about D'Arcy (prior to me listening to the Beats interview) and also because I stated that he should mix things the way he wants to, not to be "competitive".
Blocked. That's it. Luckily I have other IG accounts I can follow him on. Well, at least I made a difference in his life. |
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09-19-2018, 05:45 AM | #1244 |
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Already "eviltimeban" is a destiny...
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09-19-2018, 07:15 AM | #1245 |
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09-19-2018, 07:23 AM | #1246 | |
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Willy is a liar, fraud, hypocrite, bully and architect of his own failures. |
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09-19-2018, 08:43 AM | #1247 |
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'I prefer them lower personally but we exist in a super competitive environment'
'The kids want to rock' I love the way Billy just casually mentions that he has little artistic integrity on instagram. Even most commercial sell-outs don't admit to being commercial sell-outs. Serious musicians would cringe if people felt they had compromised their artistic vision for commercial gains. Some musicians go their whole life living by a strict, rigid code of musical values; they flout their indie/underground status like it's a badge of honor; they're proud to be outcasts in the industry. To some, authenticity is everything and without it, you're nothing. Meanwhile, Billy makes flippant remarks about how 'the kids want to rawk'. What kids? Kids with nothing in their heads, who think Papa Roach and Limp Bizkit are classic rock? Conformist kids who listen to Jump by Van Halen and ask 'how high?' They're braindead-they've got a fucking bullet in their head. The Kids In America? If so, he's living in La la la la la la la...land. Kids generally aren't interested in 50 year olds who sing Run To Me. They usually call the cops instead. What super competition is he talking about? Pet Sounds was released in the sixties; Nevermind 27 years ago. Has he listened to the new Seasick Steve album and thought to himself 'this guy's really laid down a marker! How will I ever top it?' The last decade has exposed Billy as the ultimate hypocrite and careerist. It makes me question whether the emotion of the early days-the raw pummeling rage, the tender, seemingly heartfelt mellon collie and (obviously not infinite) sadness was ever really genuine. These doubts lead to my appreciation of the old classics being stripped like layers of faded wallpaper until I am left with just a wall-a blank wall between Billy and I; a wall that I try to clamber over to find my love of the Pumpkins again, yet I continually slip, slip, slip... If you spin your love around the secrets of your dreams you may find your love is gone and is not quite what it seems... P.S. NO OFFENSE TO SEASICK STEVE WHO I AM SURE IS VERY TALENTED |
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09-19-2018, 09:33 AM | #1248 | |
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Get rid of the double album counting twice if you want, but then do it for everyone and then create a list of every physical album sold by every band ever. Sounds fun! |
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09-19-2018, 10:48 AM | #1249 |
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He's definitely wrong about the "kids want to rock" - firstly, it's adults mostly, and secondly, they just want something that sounds like what they liked in the first place. Rock or not. They probably don't listen to the radio, so the music doesn't need to compete. Are they trying to compete with Drake or Bieber or something? LOL.
On the other point he's always been considered careerist. From the early days the Pumpkins were considered "inauthentic", they had no indie cred at all. So I can see why he went the opposite way to prove himself, by getting bigger. Siamese Dream was the only instance where Billy's ambitions were in line with his talent, and he ended up with a great, almost perfect album. But even by MCIS it was contrived, "we're going to make a double album like The Wall, cos that's the thing big rock bands do". I'm surprised we didn't get a triple-live album, 70's style. Adore burst the bubble but again it was one instance where he wasn't necessarily making a career move, just making the album he wanted to make. Since then it hasn't worked. The label wouldn't let him make Machina what he wanted it to be, and most of SP2 has suffered from the approach to the vocals and mixing which would tarnish those albums. |
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09-19-2018, 11:31 AM | #1250 |
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mcis should of been a quintuple album:
1. dawn to dusk 2. twilight to starlight 3. & 4 B-sides and rarities (like towers of rabble and speed and gravity demos) 5. 50 minute silverfuck I HAVE SPOKEN |
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09-19-2018, 11:33 AM | #1251 |
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Adore and The Future Embrace are probably the best examples of him doing what he wanted. Both were relative flops which have seemingly scarred him for life.
Note how quickly he toned down the William Patrick promotion and pushed Ogilala to the background when he was hit with the masses' apathy and the realization that people only recognize him as the whiny slaphead who sings that rat in a cage song. He's like the kid in high school who gets caught masturbating in the girls' toilets and for the rest of the semester tries everything to live it down and be accepted by his peers; but what that kid doesn't realize is that he was just doing what he wanted; being true to his own vision and grossly perverted needs; and he's never going to be embraced if they know that the very thing he craves most is their acceptance, and they witness him every day making a fool of himself by simply trying too hard. And yes, that kid was me. |
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09-19-2018, 11:46 AM | #1252 |
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09-19-2018, 11:47 AM | #1253 |
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damn i thought i was bad
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09-19-2018, 05:38 PM | #1254 |
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09-19-2018, 06:03 PM | #1255 | |
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09-20-2018, 01:21 AM | #1256 |
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09-20-2018, 01:42 AM | #1257 |
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09-20-2018, 01:58 AM | #1258 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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lmao wild bill strikes again
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09-20-2018, 02:12 AM | #1259 |
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09-20-2018, 06:23 AM | #1260 |
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