International POLITICS - ongoing shitshow edition

[FoolofaTook]

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[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

It's so ignorant and offensive to me that you're aligning a flourishing populist movement with Nazi Germany

anything else you would like to explain to me as a jew about nazis? cause clearly I don't know. I've never learned about this, so you're probably right, it was just a case of some black masked wearing thugs beating up a bunch of peaceful populists. after all, the nazis denied the holocaust while it was happening and since there us evidence of them saying this, we should assume it's true. people never lie about their intentions. it's just wrong to think violence is ever acceptable against someone because of their political opinions

[FoolofaTook]

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[fuzzyroes]

RBG kept using the simple minded rationalization of "oh Youtube is a private company, they can do as they please"... Well this great Reddit post explains why that is problematic and short-sighted.

Let me ask you this. Let's say you set up a website on another platform with, by far, the largest reach and the largest userbase in the world. They're so big they've become a monopoly, the place everybody goes to to buy their stuff.

Now, let's say they de-list your store for something you said, and your business is effectively tanked. Sure, there's nothing stopping you from starting up your own store outside of the platform, just like there's nothing stopping you from starting your own car company or telecom giant, right? Oh yeah, most people don't have to resources to compete with the Platform, because it's a veritable monopoly.

It's not just a question of whether or not it's possible to compete, it's whether or not it is a realistic option for a large number of people to compete. If a local grocery store fires you for saying something on Facebook, it's not that much of a stretch for you to start your own grocery store. Maybe you still can't, but there are a lot more people out there who can start one than there are who could, say, launch a multi-billion-dollar tech company to compete with the established giant.

What's getting hairy is that people are getting into situations where their livelihoods depend on having access to these social media platforms. That changes the ball game considerably. In my book, there's no difference between government censorship and censorship by large corporations who have an effective monopoly on your livelihood. The end result is the same, and I think it's pretty disengenuous to hide behind the "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences!" mantra (which is wrong by the way, freedom of speech literally means freedom from consequences, it has to, otherwise it isn't free speech) when it happens to be speech you don't like.

[fuzzyroes]

Just something to think about....

[fuzzyroes]

If you are against the government censoring speech, but are completely okay with large, monopolistic private companies with massive control over what most people consume doing the same thing, then you're not for free speech.

Contrary to popular belief, freedom of speech literally does mean freedom from consequences. If your speech has consequences, it is, by definition, not free. It's like if a burglar broke into your house, tied your family up, held a gun to their heads, told you that you're free to leave but if you do he'll blow their brains out, are you really "free" to leave?

Freedom of Speech and the First Amendment are not the same thing, either. But if the government can't inflict any consequences on you due to your speech, but large, powerful corporations with singular control over what most people see can, is there really a difference between government and private corporations?

If you're okay with a private corporation effectively blacklisting someone from an entire industry for the rest of their lives but not okay with a government doing the same thing, isn't that just a little bit hypocritical? At the end of the day, what's the difference, really? A large powerful entity can ruin your life because of something you said. In my book, there is absolutely no difference between a government, or a large, powerful, monopolistic corporation like Facebook doing it.

At the end of the day, it's power crushing the masses. At the end of the day, it's power forcing the masses to believe a certain way, think a certain way, react a certain way.

Is Alex Jones going to be okay after being removed from these platforms? Probably. But that has absolutely nothing to do with it. The point is, if you can do it to Alex Jones today, you can do it to anybody tomorrow. This kind of thing doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's no such thing as "just this once" when it comes to censorship.

[fuzzyroes]

***quoted from reddit***

[Cool As Ice Cream]

well they can say that and find that and "in my book" that, but that doesn't make it true.

it's really amazing how forgiving a lot of people seem to be towards constantly spreading lies. truth got the lowest priority these days.

[Sonic Johnny]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

RBG kept using the simple minded rationalization of "oh Youtube is a private company, they can do as they please"... Well this great Reddit post explains why that is problematic and short-sighted.

Let me ask you this. Let's say you set up a website on another platform with, by far, the largest reach and the largest userbase in the world. They're so big they've become a monopoly, the place everybody goes to to buy their stuff.

Now, let's say they de-list your store for something you said, and your business is effectively tanked. Sure, there's nothing stopping you from starting up your own store outside of the platform, just like there's nothing stopping you from starting your own car company or telecom giant, right? Oh yeah, most people don't have to resources to compete with the Platform, because it's a veritable monopoly.

It's not just a question of whether or not it's possible to compete, it's whether or not it is a realistic option for a large number of people to compete. If a local grocery store fires you for saying something on Facebook, it's not that much of a stretch for you to start your own grocery store. Maybe you still can't, but there are a lot more people out there who can start one than there are who could, say, launch a multi-billion-dollar tech company to compete with the established giant.

What's getting hairy is that people are getting into situations where their livelihoods depend on having access to these social media platforms. That changes the ball game considerably. In my book, there's no difference between government censorship and censorship by large corporations who have an effective monopoly on your livelihood. The end result is the same, and I think it's pretty disengenuous to hide behind the "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences!" mantra (which is wrong by the way, freedom of speech literally means freedom from consequences, it has to, otherwise it isn't free speech) when it happens to be speech you don't like.

fuzz you know that nationalising/publicising media platforms is a socialist position right

[redbreegull]

guys, he's not that uninformed. he knowingly spreads lies. he's just a racist piece of shit

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

This idea that they're anti fascists is a myth. Who ever refers to fascists as fa? It's a con-job man. Anti fa... Anti first amendment.

Un-fucking-real

[Cool As Ice Cream]

this guy knows his shit.

[Shallowed]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

i'm sorry that your genitals tingle when I mention punching nazis

PENIS NOT ERRECT

[MplsTaper]

Alex Jones Returns To Humble Roots Of Screaming Conspiracy Theories Through Megaphone At People In Park

[MplsTaper]

Shit, I just opened that link and there's a SP ad for the August 19th Xcel Energy show! There is no where to hide.

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Alright alright, he's kind of a vile guy, it doesn't mean he's a white supremacist or that the Proud Boys are a white supremacist organization. He can have some racist views about muslims yet not be a white supremacist even.

Racism isn't always equated with white supremacy.

But whatever man, All I'm saying is as far as the 2 organizations go, I of course root for Proud Boys over Antifa.

Hahaha holy shit

[Elphenor]

seriously when can we permaban fuzzyroes

or just PM him and tell him he's not allowed in this thread, if laughing at his sad high school dropout alcoholic life and shitty music tastes is entertaining or something

it's beyond just using the ignore feature because nobody can say anything without it turning into a shitfest of fuzzy defending white supremacists

[Disco King]

I just got to the "erogenous" part.

Nothing that happens today will be able to top this. I'm going back to bed.

[Disco King]

"Who calls fascism "fa?" ABBREVIATIONS ARE EVIDENCE OF FALSE FLAGS"

Fuzzy is actually a team of Clickhole writers lampooining wingnuts.

[Elphenor]

fucking eh

[Disco King]

Proud Boys: Why should I feel bad about slavery? It was forever ago, I had nothing to do with it.
Also Proud Boys: I'm proud of cool shit my people invented even though I had nothing to do with any of it and I've done nothing with my life

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

all of these social media platforms to collude with one another

COLLUDE?

fuzzy learned a new word, everybody.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Haven't you learned anything from history?

hey
look
everyone
it is fuzzy roes
he has learned from history

[sppunk]

Hi. First time, long time.

If you are going to defend Alex Jones you will not be posting here much longer. Capitalism spoke and removed his vile, libelous content.

This board isn’t a democracy however so your opinion means shit. And it is shit. So shut the fuck up or move.

[smashingjj]

i vote in favour

[Elphenor]

aye aye

[redbreegull]

I'm the John fucking Hancock of this petition

[LaBelle]

SIGNED

[Disco King]

[buzzard]

Is it okay if we limit ourselves to pointing out what an amazing heel he'd make on Monday Night Raw?