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fuzzyroes · 04-10-2018, 08:43 PM

The Rock explosion in the 60's/70's made way more of an impact. A lot of these hip guys are hot for a moment and then forgotten. Look at Eminem, no one gives a damn about him anymore. That homophobic bullshit is a disgrace.

Open your eyes ya sheeple

redbreegull · 04-10-2018, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Alot of black rappers themselves were PISSED OFF when the Beastie Boys were cashing in and making a mockery of their art form... Many felt the same about Eminem, and the next biggest white Rapper Maclamore and Iggy Azalea, black friends of mine who are into rap think of them as an absolute disgrace.

Doesn't mean white people can't enjoy the art form, but you have to live a certain lifestyle in order to authentically take part in the form.

you realize all the music you like was coopted from black americans as well right?

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You're comparing the impact to artists like Ludwig van Beethoven and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart? You're a joke.

not comparing, hip hop is far more influential on a global scale than literally any other kind of music in history. ever.

redbreegull · 04-10-2018, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

The Rock explosion in the 60's/70's made way more of an impact. A lot of these hip guys are hot for a moment and then forgotten. Look at Eminem, no one gives a damn about him anymore. That homophobic bullshit is a disgrace.

Open your eyes ya sheeple

that's not true at all. rock from the 60s might be bigger in your personal mythology but that's about where that truth ends

fuzzyroes · 04-10-2018, 08:46 PM

what exactly is this hip-hop thing you're referring to? Are you talking about rap or not? Cause obviously a lot of hip-hop stuff directly lifts shit from the Motown era and is not really even a new form of music.

redbreegull · 04-10-2018, 08:46 PM

I remember a time when I was 15 and I felt personally threatened by how popular rap music is globally when to me rock is lIKE OMG THE GREATEST ACHIEVEMTN OF MANKIND

eventually you just stop being so racist and get over it. or maybe you won't

redbreegull · 04-10-2018, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

what exactly is this hip-hop thing you're referring to? Are you talking about rap or not? Cause obviously a lot of hip-hop stuff directly lifts shit from the Motown era and is not really even a new form of music.

Oh so this is the part where you've realized you are wrong and start to move the goalposts.

fuzzyroes · 04-10-2018, 08:49 PM

Nope... Are you talking about rap or are you talking about hip-hop? There's a difference man.

Hell Black Eyed Peas and Rhiana are hip-hop.

redbreegull · 04-10-2018, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Nope... Are you talking about rap or are you talking about hip-hop? There's a difference man.

Hell Black Eyed Peas and Rhiana are hip-hop.

yeah, we totally are not noticing you change your argument. you are so good at this

fuzzyroes · 04-10-2018, 08:51 PM

Rap sucks, and there's only so much you can do with it as a form of music.

But a lot of rap is so watered down now, it's like rap mixed with bubblegum pop. It's embarrassing. Any mainstream rap always has the big pop-star singy chorus whereas the verses are all rap rhyming. It's incredibly formulaic and limiting.

redbreegull · 04-10-2018, 08:52 PM

also lol at fuzzy using "Motown" as a stand in for "all black music before hip hop"

fuzzyroes · 04-10-2018, 08:54 PM

There's no denying that black folks believe that it's THEIR music. It's a disgrace to them when they see white guys making a mockery of their art. It is disgraceful. That's why you'll never see any truly big white rappers. Even Eminem was always viewed as a total novelty and gimmick to real rap fans.

fuzzyroes · 04-10-2018, 08:55 PM

A lot of white blues players sucked too...That's why white guys like the Beatles, The Stones and even The Who took from it and morphed it into something different... Maybe that's what you can refer to hip-hop as... A pop form of music with rap like rhyming... But it's certainly not rap. That much we can agree on.

fuzzyroes · 04-10-2018, 08:58 PM

You can listen to the content of most rappers... It's all very baseline shallow stuff... Very confrontational type of angry stuff. Most of it fucking sucks to be honest.

I can copy and paste some content from the most respected rappers if you'd like... These guys make the Nickelback singer sound like Shakespeare

buzzard · 04-10-2018, 09:00 PM

So only "urban folks" that "live a certain lifestyle" can rap authentically, but rap still sucks?

Glad we've cut away the gristle.

redbreegull · 04-10-2018, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

A lot of white blues players sucked too...That's why white guys like the Beatles, The Stones and even The Who took from it and morphed it into something different... Maybe that's what you can refer to hip-hop as... A pop form of music with rap like rhyming... But it's certainly not rap. That much we can agree on.

this guy just said hip hop comes from the who and the beatles

redbreegull · 04-10-2018, 09:05 PM

where is your fucking rap you coward

buzzard · 09:38 PM

Summary of the thread:
FuzzyRoes thinks that black people live differently to white people and that some aspect of this distinction grants authenticity to their rap output, though it still sucks and the content would make even the work of a notoriously terrible and all-white rock band appear profoundly creative by comparison.

reprise85 · 04-10-2018, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Alot of black rappers themselves were PISSED OFF when the Beastie Boys were cashing in and making a mockery of their art form... Many felt the same about Eminem, and the next biggest white Rapper Maclamore and Iggy Azalea, black friends of mine who are into rap think of them as an absolute disgrace.

Doesn't mean white people can't enjoy the art form, but you have to live a certain lifestyle in order to authentically take part in the form.

reprise85 · 04-10-2018, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

You can listen to the content of most rappers... It's all very baseline shallow stuff... Very confrontational type of angry stuff. Most of it fucking sucks to be honest.

I can copy and paste some content from the most respected rappers if you'd like... These guys make the Nickelback singer sound like Shakespeare

reprise85 · 04-10-2018, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

There's no denying that black folks believe that it's THEIR music. It's a disgrace to them when they see white guys making a mockery of their art. It is disgraceful. That's why you'll never see any truly big white rappers. Even Eminem was always viewed as a total novelty and gimmick to real rap fans.

eminem was viewed as a novelty cuz he was a novelty until at least his second album. him and the beasties are definitely accepted as legit rappers, idk what you're on about

reprise85 · 04-10-2018, 09:45 PM

i'd love to hear you say that rock is for white people and black rock artists don't exist and are laughed at by white people. you know, since music has nothing to do with the culture you grow up in.

surely that's not what you think, because then you are saying black culture is shallow and stupid. surely, that's not what you mean? surely you can introspect to know that maybe you don't like rap because you don't identify with it and not because the people making it are talentless?

Elphenor · 04-10-2018, 09:47 PM

he is super white

fuzzyroes · 04-10-2018, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by reprise85

eminem was viewed as a novelty cuz he was a novelty until at least his second album. him and the beasties are definitely accepted as legit rappers, idk what you're on about

Are you nuts? Guys like Biz Markie and the other big rappers at the time were outraged that the Beastie Boys were making a mockery of their art-form. Eminem, was criticized by quite a few rappers too. He's known as the whitebread rap that white people can chuckle at.

fuzzyroes · 04-10-2018, 10:06 PM

You know, Eminem is the guy that talks about beating and killing his wife and makes juvenile jokes about gay people. He's the ultimate figure for all of the white bro guys... And you wonder why he's not respected in the larger rap circles?

fuzzyroes · 04-10-2018, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

where is your fucking rap you coward

I'm a white guy living out in a Canadian suberb. I'm not gonna "rap", that would be absurd and I'd look like a clown. Instead I'm gonna make a good ole alt-rock song about you

redbreegull · 04-10-2018, 10:08 PM

we've already had the convo about how rock music is a whitewashed and hijacked take on blues music, and in that context he was SO adamant that it's not and that rock is like some beautiful multicultural celebration or whatever. wonder what fuzzy would say to all the black musicians in the 50s and 60s who painfully watched white kids steal their music and culture? Isn't that what he is up in arms about here?

fuzzyroes · 04-10-2018, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Elphenor

he is super white

Dude, we all know you think that rap sucks too. We're on the same page with this one

redbreegull · 04-10-2018, 10:09 PM

oh wait I get it, it's just different depending on what suits his argument cause his real agenda is just being a shithead

fuzzyroes · 04-10-2018, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

we've already had the convo about how rock music is a whitewashed and hijacked take on blues music, and in that context he was SO adamant that it's not and that rock is like some beautiful multicultural celebration or whatever. wonder what fuzzy would say to all the black musicians in the 50s and 60s who painfully watched white kids steal their music and culture? Isn't that what he is up in arms about here?

I don't argue that the white people ripped off the black innovators. Only difference is that you could do a lot more with that type of music...

And really, who are all these successful white people who have made it famous with their rap music? There really aint many.... So it's clear you're overestimating the impact.

fuzzyroes · 04-10-2018, 10:12 PM

You look at the rock stars who aped the black artists that came before them and the list is ENDLESS. Who are all these white rappers who made it big?

It's the most impactful type of music in the history, surely there must be a ton of white people and other races who have made it HUGE with their music! Instead it's just a laughable clown here and there.

04-10-2018, 09:08 PM	#47
buzzard Minion of Satan Posts: 6,519	Summary of the thread: FuzzyRoes thinks that black people live differently to white people and that some aspect of this distinction grants authenticity to their rap output, though it still sucks and the content would make even the work of a notoriously terrible and all-white rock band appear profoundly creative by comparison. Last edited by reprise85 : 04-10-2018 at 09:38 PM.

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04-10-2018, 08:43 PM	#31
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,216	The Rock explosion in the 60's/70's made way more of an impact. A lot of these hip guys are hot for a moment and then forgotten. Look at Eminem, no one gives a damn about him anymore. That homophobic bullshit is a disgrace. Open your eyes ya sheeple

04-10-2018, 08:46 PM	#34
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,216	what exactly is this hip-hop thing you're referring to? Are you talking about rap or not? Cause obviously a lot of hip-hop stuff directly lifts shit from the Motown era and is not really even a new form of music.

04-10-2018, 08:46 PM	#35
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: WILD BOY Posts: 32,027	I remember a time when I was 15 and I felt personally threatened by how popular rap music is globally when to me rock is lIKE OMG THE GREATEST ACHIEVEMTN OF MANKIND eventually you just stop being so racist and get over it. or maybe you won't

04-10-2018, 08:49 PM	#37
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,216	Nope... Are you talking about rap or are you talking about hip-hop? There's a difference man. Hell Black Eyed Peas and Rhiana are hip-hop.

04-10-2018, 08:51 PM	#39
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,216	Rap sucks, and there's only so much you can do with it as a form of music. But a lot of rap is so watered down now, it's like rap mixed with bubblegum pop. It's embarrassing. Any mainstream rap always has the big pop-star singy chorus whereas the verses are all rap rhyming. It's incredibly formulaic and limiting.

04-10-2018, 08:52 PM	#40
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: WILD BOY Posts: 32,027	also lol at fuzzy using "Motown" as a stand in for "all black music before hip hop"

04-10-2018, 08:54 PM	#41
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,216	There's no denying that black folks believe that it's THEIR music. It's a disgrace to them when they see white guys making a mockery of their art. It is disgraceful. That's why you'll never see any truly big white rappers. Even Eminem was always viewed as a total novelty and gimmick to real rap fans.

04-10-2018, 08:55 PM	#42
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,216	A lot of white blues players sucked too...That's why white guys like the Beatles, The Stones and even The Who took from it and morphed it into something different... Maybe that's what you can refer to hip-hop as... A pop form of music with rap like rhyming... But it's certainly not rap. That much we can agree on.

04-10-2018, 08:58 PM	#43
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,216	You can listen to the content of most rappers... It's all very baseline shallow stuff... Very confrontational type of angry stuff. Most of it fucking sucks to be honest. I can copy and paste some content from the most respected rappers if you'd like... These guys make the Nickelback singer sound like Shakespeare

04-10-2018, 09:00 PM	#44
buzzard Minion of Satan Posts: 6,519	So only "urban folks" that "live a certain lifestyle" can rap authentically, but rap still sucks? Glad we've cut away the gristle.

04-10-2018, 09:05 PM	#46
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: WILD BOY Posts: 32,027	where is your fucking rap you coward

04-10-2018, 09:45 PM	#51
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,891	i'd love to hear you say that rock is for white people and black rock artists don't exist and are laughed at by white people. you know, since music has nothing to do with the culture you grow up in. surely that's not what you think, because then you are saying black culture is shallow and stupid. surely, that's not what you mean? surely you can introspect to know that maybe you don't like rap because you don't identify with it and not because the people making it are talentless?

04-10-2018, 09:47 PM	#52
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139	he is super white

04-10-2018, 10:06 PM	#54
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,216	You know, Eminem is the guy that talks about beating and killing his wife and makes juvenile jokes about gay people. He's the ultimate figure for all of the white bro guys... And you wonder why he's not respected in the larger rap circles?

04-10-2018, 10:08 PM	#56
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: WILD BOY Posts: 32,027	we've already had the convo about how rock music is a whitewashed and hijacked take on blues music, and in that context he was SO adamant that it's not and that rock is like some beautiful multicultural celebration or whatever. wonder what fuzzy would say to all the black musicians in the 50s and 60s who painfully watched white kids steal their music and culture? Isn't that what he is up in arms about here?

04-10-2018, 10:09 PM	#58
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: WILD BOY Posts: 32,027	oh wait I get it, it's just different depending on what suits his argument cause his real agenda is just being a shithead

04-10-2018, 10:12 PM	#60
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,216	You look at the rock stars who aped the black artists that came before them and the list is ENDLESS. Who are all these white rappers who made it big? It's the most impactful type of music in the history, surely there must be a ton of white people and other races who have made it HUGE with their music! Instead it's just a laughable clown here and there.