What's worse, animal testing or eating animals?

[blackfaerie]

Originally posted by noyen
oh great. blackfaerie trying to make a point again.

you're an idiot. just don't talk. please.

[Donkey]

Originally posted by noyen
oh great. blackfaerie trying to make a point again.

understatement of the year. this is my first experience.

[blackfaerie]

Originally posted by Donkey


Those animals have not lost their survival instincts. like all animals, they flee or fight when frightened. they take of their offspring when born.

take a cat for example that has been taken out of it's natural environment and is eaten in Asia. they know how to hunt mice, clean themselves, etc.

your arguments aren't holding up, i'm sorry.

fight or flight is still an instinct, but the instinct doesn't take hold until it's necessary. cows will stay in the herd until something happens to one and that's when you have a stampede.

in asia i don't think cats are bred as food primarily.

[Canned Kitty]

Originally posted by blackfaerie


once those chickens would get released into the wild..well, bye-bye chickens.

don't be ridiculous.

chickens haven't been domesticated. You seem to think that just because the common domesticated dog wouldn't be able to survive if it was set loose, that chickens won't be able to survive either.

That's not true. Chicken's don't don't have to learn anything like hunting skills from their parents, they're just entirely instinctual animals. And a few hundred years of captivity isn't going to change that.

stop pretending it's for the animals own good or some shit.

[blackfaerie]

Originally posted by Donkey


understatement of the year. this is my first experience.

[Donkey]

Here you go(you forced me to use google)

Hong Kong bumps up against proliferating wild cows

HONG KONG -- As one of the most congested places on earth, it's no surprise that Hong Kong has problems with traffic, pollution and property prices. But wild cows?

In the countryside a short drive beyond the bright lights and high-rise urban jumble, herds of stray cows and water buffaloes have become a roaming nuisance.

"They come into the village and the children play with them," said a well-tanned country woman in the remote Kam Tin area who gave her name as Mrs. Cheung.

"I think it's dangerous," she said as she offered roasted chicken, sausages and fruit to the god who guards a small bridge. "The government should take them away."

The cattle sometimes barge in on family barbecues looking for food, and that has given the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department the idea for a cattle sting operation -- a fake barbecue where animal control officers would lie in wait for hungry cows.

"We are always looking for innovative ways to increase the success rate of our capture operations," said spokeswoman Susanna Ho. However, this one is still on the drawing board, she said.

Officers armed with tranquilizer dart guns rounded up 268 stray buffaloes and cows last year, and 270 in 2000, Ho said.

That leaves about 700 still out there, in wild herds that are thriving -- and reproducing -- in at least eight parts of Hong Kong's rural New Territories.

The cows aren't exactly prime, grain-fed specimens, but they typically are sold to butchers for human consumption.

[blackfaerie]

http://www.soupsong.com/fmeat.html

http://www.ext.vt.edu/resources/4h/v...y_chicken.html

http://www.cgiar.org/ilri/news/apr4.cfm

http://www.crazyforcows.com/fow/fow3.shtml

[blackfaerie]

Originally posted by Donkey
Here you go(you forced me to use google)

Hong Kong bumps up against proliferating wild cows

HONG KONG -- As one of the most congested places on earth, it's no surprise that Hong Kong has problems with traffic, pollution and property prices. But wild cows?

In the countryside a short drive beyond the bright lights and high-rise urban jumble, herds of stray cows and water buffaloes have become a roaming nuisance.

"They come into the village and the children play with them," said a well-tanned country woman in the remote Kam Tin area who gave her name as Mrs. Cheung.

"I think it's dangerous," she said as she offered roasted chicken, sausages and fruit to the god who guards a small bridge. "The government should take them away."

The cattle sometimes barge in on family barbecues looking for food, and that has given the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department the idea for a cattle sting operation -- a fake barbecue where animal control officers would lie in wait for hungry cows.

"We are always looking for innovative ways to increase the success rate of our capture operations," said spokeswoman Susanna Ho. However, this one is still on the drawing board, she said.

Officers armed with tranquilizer dart guns rounded up 268 stray buffaloes and cows last year, and 270 in 2000, Ho said.

That leaves about 700 still out there, in wild herds that are thriving -- and reproducing -- in at least eight parts of Hong Kong's rural New Territories.

The cows aren't exactly prime, grain-fed specimens, but they typically are sold to butchers for human consumption.

in hong kong, cattle are also used for labor, not just consumption. in america, for the most part, it's completely different.

[Donkey]

Originally posted by blackfaerie
http://www.soupsong.com/fmeat.html

http://www.ext.vt.edu/resources/4h/v...y_chicken.html

http://www.cgiar.org/ilri/news/apr4.cfm

http://www.crazyforcows.com/fow/fow3.shtml

you just dup yourself deeper. unlike my article, the reason why red meat and white meat are different colors strays slightly from the argument.

[blackfaerie]

Originally posted by Donkey


you just dup yourself deeper. unlike my article, the reason why red meat and white meat are different colors strays slightly from the argument.

damnit. stupid ass articles. ok. you win. *sigh*

[Canned Kitty]

Originally posted by blackfaerie


in hong kong, cattle are also used for labor, not just consumption. in america, for the most part, it's completely different.

translation: i lose

[noyen]

Originally posted by blackfaerie


you're an idiot. just don't talk. please.

this message board is like a virtual WILD FIELD OF COWS. if you can't survive here, i think that means god is telling you that you're not fit to survive here. a cow isn't capable of telling the zippity-zappity electric water that it should 'just stop doing that, cuz it's liek an idiut, plz - liek dunt electricut moo moooo'. that doesn't work on me either. if a cow is smarter than you, maybe you shouldn't be speaking for the cows.

[Donkey]

Originally posted by blackfaerie


in hong kong, cattle are also used for labor, not just consumption. in america, for the most part, it's completely different.

the point I made with the article is that cows are surviving and "thriving" in an environment with predators. you don't breed out instincts.

[Skibber Bee Bye]

Originally posted by Canned Kitty
stop pretending it's for the animals own good or some shit.

Animals are our co-inhabitants. They have as much right to live
their lives on this planet as we do without being exploited.

[blackfaerie]

Originally posted by noyen


this message board is like a virtual WILD FIELD OF COWS. if you can't survive here, i think that means god is telling you that you're not fit to survive here. a cow isn't capable of telling the zippity-zappity electric water that it should 'just stop doing that, cuz it's liek an idiut, plz - liek dunt electricut moo moooo'. that doesn't work on me either. if a cow is smarter than you, maybe you shouldn't be speaking for the cows.

as much as i don't really like you, that was FUNNEH!

[scouse_dave]

the stupidity of some people on this board amazes me...

[Ketchup]

animal testies are worse.