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[reprise85]

Originally Posted by buzzard

Your own viewing habits aside, it does at least appear that there's still some level of demand for the more extreme variety of material.

I'd be a little curious to see the audience numbers.

There's 174,416 subscribers.

For reference, there are 4,756,249 on /r/WTF and 171,593 readers on /r/FloridaMan

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by reprise85

climate is fucking terrifying not gonna lie

a lot of my skepticism about all the liberal interpretation of the arc of historical progress is precisely about what hasn't happened yet & is the inevitable result of capitalism

if you guys don't know the real root of my unshakable hatred of capitalism is climate change, not anything i read from marx or trotsky

[Trotskilicious]

to be frank, to manage the environment equitably we might have to take steps "backwards" in terms of comfort, security & ease of living

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

When I was in school we also laughed at Fukuyama, but I also remember making the connecting that Marx also believed in the end of history and the idea is senseless in general. It's weird to me that anyone can think something like that

its bad

don't assume that i refer to myself as marxist or something means i have nothing but reverence for every word he wrote, i don't even remember most of it

what i believe in is

• social & labor control of the means of production (aka marxism, communism, socialism, idk whatever)
• egalitarianism (again, same. this is a value in opposition to liberalism. they want to claim it but liberalism & capitalism rest upon heirarchies of "merit")
• environmental consideration, protection & management
• managed economy viz a viz the environmental impact
• central planning
• local/city-state government
• star fleet

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

mass exploitation of worldwide resources is what created capitalism

it started with fur, tobacco & spice and it ends with fossil fuels

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

to be frank, to manage the environment equitably we might have to take steps "backwards" in terms of comfort, security & ease of living

true

[Trotskilicious]

the fact that they're still trying to figure out how to make money at managing the environment is why we're doomed

[Trotskilicious]

i mean i think that the republican position on the environment isn't about foolish disbelief its about giving up & cashing in

they can automate the poor and live in hermetically sealed arcologies and let us all broil alive

[redbreegull]

maybe after the mass die-off, a smaller population can lead better lives on a less strained planet. systems seek balance etc etc kind of like how the plague killed off a ton of people and then there were more resources to go around and societies rose economically and that gave birth to the beginnings of capitalism and then it will be a new era with a new struggle

[redbreegull]

what will replace the nation state

[Trotskilicious]

corporate arcologies & racist warlord orgs like isis

OR LUXURY GENDERQUEER SPACE COMMUNISM idk

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

maybe after the mass die-off, a smaller population can lead better lives on a less strained planet. systems seek balance etc etc kind of like how the plague killed off a ton of people and then there were more resources to go around and societies rose economically and that gave birth to the beginnings of capitalism and then it will be a new era with a new struggle

yea this is another reason i don't like the "arc of history" narrative, it skips talking about the cratering after the broze age collapse, the fall of rome, the black death, it just assumes its like one grand slam after another and its like no there's still plenty of awful to go around my friends so what is "better" as a term to use when you're talking about the holocaust compared to the massacre of verden? i just think we're fundamentally inhumane to each other at every stage of development and trying to quantify it is only an attempt to apologize for man's inhumanity to man

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

yea this is another reason i don't like the "arc of history" narrative, it skips talking about the cratering after the broze age collapse, the fall of rome, the black death, it just assumes its like one grand slam after another and its like no there's still plenty of awful to go around my friends so what is "better" as a term to use when you're talking about the holocaust compared to the massacre of verden? i just think we're fundamentally inhumane to each other at every stage of development and trying to quantify it is only an attempt to apologize for man's inhumanity to man

this is very true. History is a cycle of collapses and rebirths. I don't see it as a teleological arc, more like a complicated series of reactions.

[redbreegull]

Marx was also into THE ARC OF HISTORY but ofc he saw it as a dialectic, not a linear path

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

this is very true. History is a cycle of collapses and rebirths. I don't see it as a teleological arc, more like a complicated series of reactions.

yes

[qwerty sp]

All this should be put in my philosophy thread

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by reprise85

Obviously we can't get into people's heads, but if torturing people for mass pleasure became abhorrent as an institution when it simply was common before, and people were murdered and publicity tortured for petty theft and not paying taxes, why would this have changed if not for personal attitudes about what is moral changing?

trump campaigned on how fantastic torture was & his base & republicans loved it

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by JESUSNEEDSAHIT

i mean I wasn't aware that anyone over the age of 21 seriously told others they are a marxist

this guy is supposedly a big intellectual hero around here huh

i wonder if he's one of those guys who has more respect for george w bush & hillary clinton than he does for bernie sanders

[Trotskilicious]

del

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

so i took a stroll back to the start, and it starts off with me making fun of liberalism in a general way and then



here's your first post but i'm the guy who weaponized the argument

get bent you fucking liberal shitclown. saying "i'm sorry but i think you're a very stupid, emotional idiot" is not an apology or an excuse to say it

holy shit man that is definitely not what he said. the whole argument turned into cussing each other out but at that point i can kind of understand what he tried to say. you sometimes get visibly angry in your posts. it is shining through you've invested emotionally in your beliefs.

he's not saying there is anything wrong with that and neither do i. so i don't see the disrespect in that. i get fucking angry when i read some stuff but also try to understand people are not personally attacking you when talking about a subject that is related to you in some way.

i'm just talking about the start of this conversation, i would like to stay out of everything that followed.

[FoolofaTook]

Man u guys get enthused.

Anyways mvoving on to what really matters, namely: me.

Riverz of Tearz. Day 11 no tobacco. Day 1 no ganja. Probs gonna have a panic attack lol.

[LaBelle]

Congrats on the 11th day with no tobacco took!

About the ganja tho...

https://media.giphy.com/media/eLpoGELHst13a/giphy.gif

[vixnix]

We might be moving to Singapore. I dunno. The background checks still haven't finished. If they clear, our flights are already booked for the 24th April, but I figure the bank that's in the process of hiring my husband can cancel stuff like that pretty easily so it still doesn't mean very much.

I just don't know what to think anymore. It's hard to imagine having less than a month to pack up our entire house and say goodbye and then begin living in another country.

But then, maybe nothing will happen and we'll just stay here.

Kinda stressed out right now.

[LaBelle]

Damn that's a sudden and radical change if it goes through.

Best of luck.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Michael Crichton

I think it's strange that some people assume that humans can somehow "destroy the planet." It's simply not possible. Now, we can kill a lot of the life and most importantly, many of the humans on the planet, but life (and human life) will go on, no matter what we do. If humans are so stupid as to engineer their own near destruction through global warming or nuclear war, then that is simply natural selection at work. We will adapt and survive and be stronger for it. Bring on the Bomb.

.

[ohnoitsbonnie]

I guess that isn't wrong, but wanting for things to be better for future humans shows empathy and foresight. Also pretty tired of "natural selection" at work. That's something said by those that understand little about evolution.

I think humans forget they live on one planet because of the inherent apathy of the planet and little understanding of what it took for us to be where we are now. We have our history as humans but that's rarely overlapped with the history of the earth.

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

to be frank, to manage the environment equitably we might have to take steps "backwards" in terms of comfort, security & ease of living

Agreed

[ohnoitsbonnie]

I mean the earth as a whole is alive at this point. Life is everywhere. We just don't always consider it meaningful. I only half relish with the thought of archaea being the dominant organism on the earth once again. Mostly I am horrified haha and don't wanna have children because of fear of them blaming me for having them despite knowing their lives won't be as comfortable as mine

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by vixnix

We might be moving to Singapore. I dunno. The background checks still haven't finished. If they clear, our flights are already booked for the 24th April, but I figure the bank that's in the process of hiring my husband can cancel stuff like that pretty easily so it still doesn't mean very much.

I just don't know what to think anymore. It's hard to imagine having less than a month to pack up our entire house and say goodbye and then begin living in another country.

But then, maybe nothing will happen and we'll just stay here.

Kinda stressed out right now.

that's crazy, had no idea you were even considering it. good luck though

[yo soy el mejor]

sounds exciting tbh

[yo soy el mejor]

goodbye, old paint