Another USA gun massacre

[redbreegull]

Do you guys think there is any reasonable chance that Poots and TheAeroplane do not have tiny, tiny penises?

[redbreegull]

But this is my day off so I'll bite. Muslim majority countries with death penalty for homosexuality, plus the percentage of Muslims (out of global population) who live in each state:

Afghanistan – 1.8%
Iran – 4.6%
Yemen – 1.5%
Saudi Arabia – 1.6%
UAE – 0.2%
Somalia – 0.6%
Sudan – 1.9%
Mauritania – 0.2%
Qatar – 0.1%

You'll notice nine countries here. Poots also seemingly included Nigeria, of which an even 50% of the population is Muslim. Nigeria has no state death penalty for homosexuality although it is enacted in some municipalities. Muslim Nigerians account for 4.7% of the global population. These figures also do not consider that South Sudan is a sovereign unit now and there is no death penalty for homosexuality in the South.

So the percentage of Muslims worldwide living in countries with the death penalty for homosexuality is about 12.5% without and 17.2% with Nigeria. Out of the ten countries with the largest Muslim populations, 2 have the death penalty for homosexual acts. Indonesia has more Muslims than any other country and homosexuality is totally legal there.

[redbreegull]

Four of those countries also belong to another interesting club, the only seven countries which execute children. Featured here, the United States of America.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Arguing that Islam is worse than all other religions is like arguing about which pile of shit smells the worst.

[MyOneAndOnly]

A generation ago Christian USA and South Africa imposed state sponsor racial segregation. A few generations earlier European and American Christians used their religion to justify slavery and genocides all over the world.

Islam has no monopoly on being horrible.

[MyOneAndOnly]

White Christian American mass murderer= mental health problem

Any non white American murderer = vicious violent killer because (insert race or non Christian religion)

[MyOneAndOnly]

Look what Jews do to Palestinians. You'd think the members of an ancient religion with a 3000 year history of persecution and who were nearly exterminated 75 yrs ago would have some perspective on human rights and how to treat others.

Check out what Hindus do to Muslims in India. Crazy stuff.

[slunken]

I wish threads like this wouldn't pollute my gen board.

[TheAeroplane]

[slunken]

mods please merge this thread with the summer solstice/satanism thread

[MyOneAndOnly]

Richard Dawkins

[TheAeroplane]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

Arguing that Islam is worse than all other religions is like arguing about which pile of shit smells the worst.

Really ? Name one way in which Buddhism encourages homophobia among its followers.

[MyOneAndOnly]

the California Richard Gere Buddhism, which is just celebrity bullshit? Or the actual buddhism in countries like Myanmar, Sri Lanka, etc that attack muslims and advocate attacks on non buddhists?

try googling "burmese bin laden". the guy has countless anti muslim diatribes posted on youtube

[TheAeroplane]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

the California Richard Gere Buddhism, which is just celebrity bullshit? Or the actual buddhism in countries like Myanmar, Sri Lanka, etc that attack muslims and advocate attacks on non buddhists?

try googling "burmese bin laden". the guy has countless anti muslim diatribes posted on youtube

Just give me any source that you want to a Buddhist scripture where the Buddha taught to judge or condemn anyone based on their sexuality.

[teh b0lly!!1]

this whole thread is littered with small inaccuracies that only get more and more inflated until everything else that person is saying becomes invalidated.

this is a good example:

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

Look what Jews do to Palestinians. You'd think the members of an ancient religion with a 3000 year history of persecution and who were nearly exterminated 75 yrs ago would have some perspective on human rights and how to treat others.

you people have not the slightest fucking idea what's going on in israel with the palestinians. you all get fed off of very biased media, and go around spouting the same shit you heard somebody else say.
i'm most definitely not a zionist, nor am i saying israel is "right" and palestinians are "wrong". but making this situation out to be so black and white is just ignorant, uninformed and stupid. do some real research or shut the fuck up

[teh b0lly!!1]

also, all you guys can argue until you black out, but facts are, even though 90% of muslims are harmless (they could all be Jesuses for the sake of the argument), the remaining 10% is mercilessly terrorizing the world and sets out to do as much harm as possible, more so than any other population in the world.

[Elphenor]

It's not 10% and why can't you understand that it has nothing to do with them being Muslim and everything to do with them being from the most unstable region in the world

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

you people have not the slightest fucking idea what's going on in israel with the palestinians. you all get fed off of very biased media, and go around spouting the same shit you heard somebody else say.

Many studies¹ have actually shown a pro-Israel bias in U.S. media, which I find is pretty apparent from watching the framing in American network or cable news, as well as editorials in papers like the Times. There is bipartisan consensus on the Israel policy in the U.S., as both Reps and Dems are committed to unquestioning support of Israel, rather than attempting to be neutral peace brokers. In Canada as well, the Liberal party and leftist darling Justin Trudeau supported a bill to officially condemn campus groups critical of Israel. If there is "biased media" here, it's in favour of Israel. Edward S. Herman's propaganda model of mass media provides an analysis of the factors that skew U.S. media in such a way (no, it's not TOC's version, where the gummint is doing teh psy-ops to control the news, it's more in line with economic models).

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

also, all you guys can argue until you black out, but facts are, even though 90% of muslims are harmless (they could all be Jesuses for the sake of the argument), the remaining 10% is mercilessly terrorizing the world and sets out to do as much harm as possible, more so than any other population in the world.

Most terrorists are not Muslims, and even if every terrorist were a Muslim and every terrorist attack since 1970 were committed by Muslims, that would still account for about 0.00009% of Muslims, not 10%..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-a...b_8718000.html

Yes, religion is dumb and radical Islam is a blight, and perhaps radical Islam is currently responsible for more religious terrorism than any other religion. That says little about Islam more generally. We should also look at the reasons radical Islam has proliferated. U.S. intervention in the region is inspiring it, because when you threaten people's security like that, they are more likely to fall into the arms of extreme reactionary movements. Look at Iran pre-1953, before the U.S. installed the Shah to protect a U.K. oil corporation from auditing. Look at Iran now, embracing a cultural identity of radical Islam. Look at pre-Taliban Afghanistan, before the U.S. started funding Islamic extremists to combat the Russians. The U.S., just like the U.K. before it, has been instrumental in fomenting radical Islam, because it has often been a handy tool against independent democracies not favourable to U.S. geopolitical objectives in the region.


1. Dunsky, Marda. (2001). "Missing: The bias implicit in the absent." Arab Studies Quarterly, 23(3), 1-29

Elmasry, Mohamad. (2009.) "Death in the Middle East: An Analysis of How the New York Times and Chicago Tribune Framed Killings in the second Palestinian Intifada." Journal of Middle East Media, 5(1).

Viser, Matt. (2003). "Attempted Objectivity: An Analysis of the New York Times and Ha'aretz and their Portrayals of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict." The International Journal of Press/Politics, 8(4), 114-120

http://fair.org/extra/the-illusion-of-balance/

[Elphenor]

Pointing to some of the poorest most war torn constant fear of losing their lives populations in the world and going "look they chop gays heads off Islam must be bad" is some next level missing the obvious

The U.S. was attacked once and we were surrendering rights left and right omg please save us
You think the majority of the country was concerned about social equality after 9/11. We re-elected Bush.

Now imagine violence like that is an everyday norm.

These societies are ran by dictators and Traditionalism out of necessity in the minds of their populace. They are fighting to survive everyday.

[Elphenor]

When you look at Muslim countries with even remotely equal quality of lives to the western world you see things like, for example, female Heads of State

[FoolofaTook]

Are you acquainted with generalizations? How about over simplification?

[MyOneAndOnly]

He's aquainted with low IQ, and that's about all

[Elphenor]

It's traditionalism

These are traditional societies

Yes any society will resort to traditionalism when they feel their lives are threatened

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Poots

Elphener, you're out of your element.

Iran and Saudi Arabia are not "poorest most war torn constant fear of losing their lives populations in the world." They are killing gays because they have based their laws on the Quran and the Hadith, which says that gays must die for their sin of gayness. It's not like you could take just any old society, let it crumble to survival mode, and then we instinctually start murdering gay people. It's Islam that says gayness is a sin and should be punished by death.

nearly everything you have ever pointed out about Islam that you don't like is not from the Quran but from Hadith, which as I have reminded you previously varies greatly from region to region and from sect to sect. Oppression towards women for example comes almost exclusively from pre-Islamic or extra-Islamic elements of culture, the continuance of which has been justified through Hadith. E.g. covering women has no precedence in the Quran and it is not part of a common thread linking all Islamic cultures. This comes from Persian culture actually and has been enforced through a supposed saying of Muhammed, but is only recognized in the most extreme sects of Islam. Pointing to Saudi Arabia and Iran over and over, probably the two most extremist theocracies in the world, is not damning of Islam but of theocratic extremism.

How many more people have died for "democracy" in the past century than Islam? I guess democracy is an inherently violent cult as well.

[MyOneAndOnly]

The Christian Bible says nothing about queers. Hasn't stopped Christians from being bigots, killing, etc.

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by Poots

you realize that the Hadith is the collected sayings of Mohammed right? It's one of their holy texts. You can't write that off as some sort meaningless guideline, any more than a Christian can write off something Jesus said.

You realize that their are a tonne of extra-Biblical scriptures that some Christian sects recognize, and others do not, right?

Same thing with most established religions.

Hell, I'm a Scientologist who solidly believes that Battlefield Earth is sacred and part of the canon.

[Disco King]

Many things that we link to Islamic culture have more to do with the regional culture. You'll find female genital mutilation and head coverings in minority Christian cultures in the Middle East and Africa. It's not really an Islamic thing.

Also, re: Iran and Saudi Arabia. Again, theocracies the fruits of U.S. imperialism. Iran, an extremist nationalistic response to the U.S. overthrowing an elected government. Saudi Arabia, a client state of the U.S. because they are friendly to U.S. geopolitical strategies in the region, unlike many independent secular democracies or moderately-Islamic states were.

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by Dade

fuckin' thank you

I like how it's considered a safe inductive inference to conclude from the fact that there are Islamic terrorists that Islam = greatest threat to world security, but it's considered kuh-raaazy to infer that anybody who supports gay marriage is probably against the death penalty for gays.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Poots

you realize that the Hadith is the collected sayings of Mohammed right? It's one of their holy texts. You can't write that off as some sort meaningless guideline, any more than a Christian can write off something Jesus said.

If you really know about Hadiths, you are making a consciously disingenuous point. Hadiths are reported sayings of Muhammed and which ones are recognized vary wildly between geographic areas and sects. We've had this literal exact same conversation before. Rules about covering women for example come from Hadiths, and different Hadiths are recognized as truthful by different groups. Some Hadiths recognized by some groups boil down to things like Muhammed's brother's roomate's friend's dog heard him say such and such therefore it is law. The Hadith is very, very different in different places and are not one single thread that runs through Islam.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

When you look at Muslim countries with even remotely equal quality of lives to the western world you see things like, for example, female Heads of State

Yes. Bhutto was a brave one. She called out the cabalist for their fantasy drama of trying to capture one Osama Bin-Laden when he was already dead (and generally provided a less than flattering take on the Bush admin's relationship with Musharraf). She got assassinated 2 months later. I'm sure it was just a coincidence.