2016 Presidential Primary

[fuzzyroes]

It's the beginning of the end for establishment goons

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by killtrocity

That's not even remotely true. If he continues to win 79% of the vote in states like Idaho and Utah, he will have many paths to victory, and won't even necessarily need NY. Hildawg won the deep South with an average of 76% of the vote including TX. Even a small win in CA would be huge

This isn't even wishful thinking on my part. It's simple math. Just turn off fucking CNN. The DNC is not your friend. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

this is pretty wrong, he has almost no possibility of securing the nomination. I get that you are into the everyone is out to destroy of our beautiful crusade thing but if you actually are interested in the math, it paints an almost certain loss for Bernie. Yes there are still possible paths to victory, but they are very unlikely. He would have to start winning states favoring Clinton by more than what Clinton is predicted to win them by, so...

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

this is pretty wrong, he has almost no possibility of securing the nomination. I get that you are into the everyone is out to destroy of our beautiful crusade thing but if you actually are interested in the math, it paints an almost certain loss for Bernie. Yes there are still possible paths to victory, but they are very unlikely. He would have to start winning states favoring Clinton by more than what Clinton is predicted to win them by, so...

Bernie Sanders staying in the race at this point is only slightly less pathetic and desperate than John Kasich.

Bernie should drop out... He's wasting all of this money on useless campaigning while it could be donated to a good cause instead.

[FoolofaTook]

damn poots.

goddamn. wtf. you aren't trolling are you? i wish you spent a little time with me in benton harbor.

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by killtrocity

That's not even remotely true. If he continues to win 79% of the vote in states like Idaho and Utah, he will have many paths to victory, and won't even necessarily need NY. Hildawg won the deep South with an average of 76% of the vote including TX. Even a small win in CA would be huge

This isn't even wishful thinking on my part. It's simple math. Just turn off fucking CNN. The DNC is not your friend. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

It's not impossible and the chance is enough to where he should stay in until the end but it's really not looking good

He can't just win these states going forward, he has got to crush Hillary in them

And that's just to make it close

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Bernie Sanders staying in the race at this point is only slightly less pathetic and desperate than John Kasich.

Bernie should drop out... He's wasting all of this money on useless campaigning while it could be donated to a good cause instead.

why the fuck would he possibly do that when the longer he stays in, the more he forces clinton to move to the left, which he certainly knew was his most likely role in all this from the beginning?

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Poots

that guy has never learned that no one wants to read huge blocks of text. He has fucking APA citations, for fucks sake. Of course, I don't see a references page, but that's some smarmy shit right there.

he did research and you're ignoring it because it doesn't go along with how you feel. if you cant read a few paragraphs you shouldn't get into complex arguments. is it smarmy? who gives a fuck, it has a lot more legitimacy than anything you've said

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by FoolofaTook

damn poots.

goddamn. wtf. you aren't trolling are you? i wish you spent a little time with me in benton harbor.

I'm pretty sure poots actually is a troll

[MyOneAndOnly]

Despite what some liberals are saying about Clinton, the Democratic party candidates are more liberal than any point in history. Clinton's stand on almost every issue is to the left of Obama. We've never had a Dem nominee as liberal as Clinton.

But I still hear liberal women calling her a disgusting evil monster. As if they know nothing about history.

Srsly this is a chance to put a woman in office and transform the supreme Court into a moderate to liberal majority, and people are saying they're NOT going to vote in the general election? WTF

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

Despite what some liberals are saying about Clinton, the Democratic party candidates are more liberal than any point in history. Clinton's stand on almost every issue is to the left of Obama. We've never had a Dem nominee as liberal as Clinton.

But I still hear liberal women calling her a disgusting evil monster. As if they know nothing about history.

Srsly this is a chance to put a woman in office and transform the supreme Court into a moderate to liberal majority, and people are saying they're NOT going to vote in the general election? WTF

I really think this is the result of Republican propaganda that effectively worked on liberal America. Clinton was one of the most liberal senators when she held that office.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Poots

Allow me to reiterate: nobody wants to read huge blocks of text. Especially if it has citations. Do you know where the fuck you are?

you really are a joke. you can't expect anyone to have a debate with you when being good at it (as in, providing PROOF) makes you say lol do you know where you are? by that position, it is impossible to have an honest debate with you, so i'll be stopping.

[TuralyonW3]

Man I reeeeally hope Ted Cruz accusations about spreading the bone all around are true

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Poots

You can tell when you get stoned and you just start vomiting out nonsense. "Woah I'm in over my head here! Fuck it, here goes nothing"

This is ironic because this post means nothing. As usual, when you can't counter something someone says that you don't like, you resort to "lol" or "ur dumb"

[fuzzyroes]

Even with Bernies landslide victories today, he still has no mathematical chance at winning the nominee... The "super delegate" scam gave him no chance from the forefront. The guys just staying in to give an illusion of there "still being a race" so all the media and pundits can still orchestrate their sensationalism.

Bernies done. To anyone with half a brain: he looks like an idiot for staying in the race.

[reprise85]

first of all i agree he can't win. however, superdelegates can and do change their minds.

i think staying in is ok, he's making her talk about important things. maybe those things will sink in somehow.

[Elphenor]

It's objectively false that he has no chance mathematically speaking.
He has a slim chance based on data we have about how people are likely to vote.

Again, you know fuck all about American politics fuzzy

Super delegates lean towards Hillary atm because she is expected to win the popular vote. A large amount of super delegates switch to the winner of the popular vote

[redbreegull]

Clinton has very obviously adopted much of Sanders' rhetoric and posture. Again, he almost certainly knew from the start his role would most likely be as a bee sting candidate to bring Clinton to the left and get issues addressed which are important to his base. He's already been amazingly successful actually. This guy got a massive amounts of American people to come out and say yes we are socialists fuck you and so what?

It makes total sense for him to stay in at this point. Fuzzy does not understand how politics actually work

[Elphenor]

Because his campaign isn't going to run out of money any time soon there is no reason to drop out

Usually when your donors stop backing you and those within your campaign start wondering how they're gonna get paid, that's when a candidate drops out

[redbreegull]

also uniting the party too early could be bad. Generally candidates' popularity has a peak after which point they lose momentum, and obviously you want to peak right around election day

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

Because his campaign isn't going to run out of money any time soon there is no reason to drop out

Usually when your donors stop backing you and those within your campaign start wondering how they're gonna get paid, that's when a candidate drops out

That's stupid though. He has people funding him with millions of dollars when he doesn't have a shot... He should decline the money, or use the money for a cause in need.

Just simply staying in the race to "hope your message touches someone" is stupid. He's not gonna win, no chance, so he should drop out... He's just helping orchestrate the whole media charade... Cause heck, if he rightfully drops out, all of the attention goes to the Republican contest, and the Democrats can't have that!

Nice integrity Bernie.

[Elphenor]

Bernie thinks he can win and it is not impossible. Why wouldn't he take the chance?

It is just very unlikely


Also he wants to give all his supporters that haven't got a chance to vote yet the ability to do so out of respect to them

[Elphenor]

Again you drop out because the money runs dry

The nature of Bernies funding almost ironically means he won't worry about money

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

That's stupid though. He has people funding him with millions of dollars when he doesn't have a shot... He should decline the money, or use the money for a cause in need.

Just simply staying in the race to "hope your message touches someone" is stupid. He's not gonna win, no chance, so he should drop out... He's just helping orchestrate the whole media charade... Cause heck, if he rightfully drops out, all of the attention goes to the Republican contest, and the Democrats can't have that!

Nice integrity Bernie.

The whole reason we have a primary season is so that unknown candidates have a chance at the election. If we had had one primary day 6 months ago, he'd have literally had no impact and none of the issues he's cared about would have been talked about like they have been.

Second point, yes it'd be bad for the republicans to have all the attention, cause like RBG said, you can't peak too early and slow your momentum. Believe me, the republicans are getting plenty of attention with sex scandals and inciting violence. The people at the adult table have important things to talk about though. (btw I totally blame Trump for this, not Cruz)

I mean why didn't we just skip the whole thing? This is what politics is. Talking about issues, even if you can't win the presidency. Because the president doesn't live in a vacuum and if/when Clinton clinches it, she'll have to keep talking about things the democrats want - things that Bernie brought up.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

Again you drop out because the money runs dry

The nature of Bernies funding almost ironically means he won't worry about money

it's just a waste of money for him to pay for these huge jetliners and huge jetliners for the media and to run all these costly campaigns when he's 100% going to lose.

I mean, I'm honestly willing to bet my left nut for 5 000 dollars in return that Bernie is going to lose to Clinton (unless the FBI actually does clamp down on clinton *not gonna happen*)

Ron Paul did the same thing in 2012 and it pissed me off. I wanted him to win and fight for the nominee, but he was fine just going along, taking the donations, simply getting his message out with no hopes of actually winning. It's a pointless endeavor.

If you wanna get a message out, theres much better ways than making a joke of the electoral process.

[redbreegull]

I'll say it for a third time since I think fuzzy just doesn't want to hear it: the biggest reason for a challenger to run against a very powerful establishment candidate is the bee sting effect. American democracy works through umbrella parties and large, diverse coalitions of interests. The longer Sanders stays in and the more attention he gets and money he raises, the more he can make Clinton address the issues important to him and his base. Especially if you dislike Clinton but like Sanders, I can't imagine how this could seem like a bad thing. Candidate Clinton is not fully formed yet, and Sanders still has some work to do on this front before stepping back.

Bernie Sanders is a very smart man and I guarantee you he knows his chances at victory are, and always were, quite small. There are longer games to play than one election. Welcome to the United States of America.

ps: the why doesn't he give his leftover campaign funding to a charitable cause is like straight out of a 10th grade civics class discussion

[reprise85]

It's not making a joke though... it's actually one of the things that works about our system. Except the whole caucus thing

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

If you wanna get a message out, theres much better ways than making a joke of the electoral process.

I think you've been pretty clear that you don't understand the electoral process

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I'll say it for a third time since I think fuzzy just doesn't want to hear it: the biggest reason for a challenger to run against a very powerful establishment candidate is the bee sting effect. American democracy works through umbrella parties and large, diverse coalitions of interests. The longer Sanders stays in and the more attention he gets and money he raises, the more he can make Clinton address the issues important to him and his base. Especially if you dislike Clinton but like Sanders, I can't imagine how this could seem like a bad thing. Candidate Clinton is not fully formed yet, and Sanders still has some work to do on this front before stepping back.

Bernie Sanders is a very smart man and I guarantee you he knows his chances at victory are, and always were, quite small. There are longer games to play than one election. Welcome to the United States of America.

ps: the why doesn't he give his leftover campaign funding to a charitable cause is like straight out of a 10th grade civics class discussion

Your argument would ring true IF BERNIE wasn't what... 75 years old? he has no political future... Frivolously spending money in the hope that Clinton will change her stance is useless and isn't worth the money spending on hoping to do so.

Clintons already turned her campaigning onto Trump and the Republican party... Bernie isn't even a little blip in her radar at this point. And it's a joke to think otherwise.

Bernies just going through the motions cause it's good for political entertainment. If he rightfully drops out (as he should) theres no story lines left for the media... Bernies being a useless media whore, and it's against everything he stands for.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I think you've been pretty clear that you don't understand the electoral process

I'm looking at it from a realistic point of view... Not from a sniveling little politicians agenda... Bernies old as hell, your arguments don't even apply to him anyways.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Your argument would ring true IF BERNIE wasn't what... 75 years old? he has no political future... Frivolously spending money in the hope that Clinton will change her stance is useless and isn't worth the money spending on hoping to do so.

Clintons already turned her campaigning onto Trump and the Republican party... Bernie isn't even a little blip in her radar at this point. And it's a joke to think otherwise.

Bernies just going through the motions cause it's good for political entertainment. If he rightfully drops out (as he should) theres no story lines left for the media... Bernies being a useless media whore, and it's against everything he stands for.

this is so much shit you just pulled out of your ass I don't even know where to start.